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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:12, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

University of Sydney School of Physics[edit]

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One primary reference. Probably fails WP:GNG as it stands, unless it can be expanded. Uhooep (talk) 23:54, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Has now been significantly expanded thanks to User:Jonathan de Boyne Pollard. ITBF (talk) 13:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY, thanks to User:Jonathan de Boyne Pollard. Cabrils (talk) 22:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY after some good work by User:Jonathan de Boyne Pollard.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:32, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, as explained by others Ldm1954 (talk) 17:38, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to The Maybe Man. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:12, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Maybe Man Tour[edit]

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BLARed due to lack of coverage. Tour was just announced the other day and hasn't received much coverage yet, which isn't too surprising given it's for an album which also hasn't received much coverage. No prejudice toward restoring when there's more coverage – given the notability of the group and the size of venues they're covering, it wouldn't surprise me if more does appear closer to the tour's start next year – but I don't see reason to keep this around as more than the couple sentences at The Maybe Man#Tour for now. Redirect there for now. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to The Maybe Man per nom. The tour could definitely be more notable closer to its start in April 2024 with extra information such as a setlist and ticket sales, but there isn't much to write about as of now. Koopastar (talk) 08:30, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tommaso Cancelloni[edit]

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A former footballer whose career has been almost exclusively at the amateur level. Fails WP:GNG due to lack of WP:SIGCOV, as all I could find was nothing more but passing mentions, empty stats pages (mostly automatically generated), occasional transfer reports and little more, including passing references to his current professional activity in the food industry (he has apparently retired from the game). [1] Angelo (talk) 23:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I couldn't find sources that showed sufficient notability. Suonii180 (talk) 14:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Manuel La Rosa[edit]

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Minor league footballer with an almost exclusively career at the amateur level, who fails WP:GNG due to a clear lack of WP:SIGCOV - all I could find is just passing mentions, transfer reports, non-independent, and non-secondary sources. [2] Angelo (talk) 23:41, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lacks indepth coverage fails WP:GNG.-- Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:13, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Riccardo Mattelli[edit]

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Minor league footballer with an almost entirely amateur career, who fails WP:GNG due to lack of WP:SIGCOV - all I could find is just passing mentions, transfer reports, non-independent, and non-secondary sources. [3] Angelo (talk) 23:39, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Antonello Tabacco[edit]

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Minor league footballer with an almost entirely amateur career, who fails WP:GNG due to lack of WP:SIGCOV - all I could find is merely passing mentions, transfer reports, non-independent and non-secondary sources. [4] Angelo (talk) 23:37, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus‎. I'm seeing arguments to Delete all, Redirect/Merge all and some opposing this entire bundled nomination. In this case, I don't think relisting will bring with it an actual consensus but just more opinions on all sides of this discussion. So, I'm closing this discussion and recommend either nominating this articles individually or at least in smaller bunches. With nominations this large, even the most diligent AFD participant can't track down additional sources for over 25 articles over a week and it's unreasonable to expect anyone to do this. So, instead, we often get opinions to "Keep/Delete/Redirect all" where few or none of the articles are carefully analyzed which is not how AFD is intended to work. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:20, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of the United States, Malabo[edit]

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This should be deleted per consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Embassy of the United States, Vientiane, and because none of these articles tells us anything about the purported topic, namely the embassy building of the United States in various foreign capitals. Instead, they deal with bilateral relations, and articles covering that phenomenon already exist. Biruitorul ^Talk 23:34, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages:

Oppose as listed As these articles are not identical content/products with slightly different titles, hoaxes, or promotional spam, each page should be nominated separately per WP:MULTIAFD – Kjerish (talk) 23:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I’m sure that would be a very productive use of everyone’s time: forcing editors to vote separately on an endless, identical series of articles, ostensibly about some run-of-the mill buildings from the past few decades, in fact saying nothing about them. Procedure is important, but let’s not abuse others’ time. (At any rate, there is no procedural violation: WP:MULTIAFD addresses “related articles”, and the example does not limit the scope of the guideline.) — Biruitorul ^Talk 00:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as listed - Agree with Kjerish that each embassy needs to be a separate deletion nomination. Don't attempt a blanket of all the embassies. Each one is different, each has a different history. If you want all those deleted, then nominate them correctly. — Maile (talk) 01:41, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How does the history of Embassy of the United States, Banjul differ from that of Embassy of the United States, Yaoundé? (Not that we’d know from the articles, but you did make the claim.) — Biruitorul ^Talk 06:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete all These embassy articles were created in a spree by 1 editor and padded with mainly information about bilateral relations and not about the embassy itself (or minor details like its address and when it opened). The article creator has also opposed redirect to the relevant bilateral relations so we are here. They all fail GNG. LibStar (talk) 01:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nominee
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Merge/redirect all to respective United States–X relations articles. Very little of these is actually about the embassies themselves, most content is about the diplomatic relations. Reywas92^Talk 03:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all the articles should be about the embassies themselves, but they focus on foreign relations. The buildings are not notable. DirtyHarry991 (talk) 03:50, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as listed - 28 articles are too many articles for one AfD if they're to be merged and redirected as I believe they should be.
- Comment: these are nicely done small articles, even if they're redundant to the corresponding bilateral relations articles. The author did a nice job.
- Unfortunately, as noted by Biruitorul, these articles are not really about the embassies but mostly about the bilateral relations. Any embassy-specific material can be added as a sentence or two to the bilateral relations article.
  - Delete all. It's not just "unfortunate", it's an excellent reason why these articles should not exist. Athel cb (talk) 11:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The "consensus" at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Embassy of the United States, Vientiane was a consensus of just 2 editors: Biruitorul, the nominator, and LibStar. The AfD was closed as a soft deletion due to minimal participation. So I don't see that AfD as a useful precedent.
- Some embassy articles contain useful bilateral relations material not found in the existing bilateral relations articles. "Merge/redirect" makes sense. It will take considerable effort to merge this stuff into the 28 bilateral relations articles. Who's going to do this work? The closing administrator? That's too much to ask.

This big AfD needs to be broken into smaller, more manageable chunks. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 04:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- Regarding your first point, while writing “nice” articles is certainly to be commended, that aspect must come after WP:GNG is satisfied: “a topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject”. Given that the articles don’t even pretend to do that, we should delete or redirect without much further discussion or agonizing about the size of the nomination. — Biruitorul ^Talk 06:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  I agree that "The author did a nice job" is irrelevant to notability. LibStar (talk) 06:33, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  I did not say that nice articles establish notability -- I merely complemented the author.
  
  "Nice" or not, there remains useful content about bilateral relations that should be merged to existing bilateral relations articles rather than trashed. See Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. @Biruitorul, if you're personally committed to doing all the follow-up work of merging, redirecting and template repair for 28 articles, I'm open to supporting this big AfD. Otherwise, let's do this one smaller chunk at a time. There's no rush.--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 06:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - - In fairness, I did redirect each one, but the article creator me. If the consensus is to redirect, I pledge to perform that task. — Biruitorul ^Talk 07:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose there are dozens and dozens of articles about the New Zealand one in local press. https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8371842/60m-to-blast-proof-US-embassy-complex https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/92338186/online-bomb-threats-prompted-us-embassy-evacuation-during-fbi-directors-visit https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/10735122/US-embassy-alert-over-suspicious-package https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/66771529/shoe-boxes-spark-bomb-scare-at-us-embassy https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/kapi-mana-news/8779653/Chauffeur-tells-nuclear-story etc, etc, etc. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:14, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The fact that there have been a couple of bomb scares and that it’s had its security enhanced does not actually make a building notable; that’s entirely trivial coverage. Still, what about the other 27 or so articles I’ve nominated? You haven’t addressed those. Were I to strike the Wellington embassy and nominate it separately, would your position here change? — Biruitorul ^Talk 21:49, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  If the US Embassy in New Zealand is notable, that illustrates a problem I've seen really big multi-AfDs - how do you handle individual exceptions to deletions? Is there some established way of doing that? --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 22:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Embassy of the United States, Wellington is where that particular discussion has been moved. — Biruitorul ^Talk 22:31, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per above, very flawed nom, spot check indicates at least some of these meet GNG. // Timothy :: talk 02:05, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually no, nominating for deletion a series of articles that a) have nothing to do with the alleged subject and b) duplicate content found elsewhere, is not at all flawed. Can you cite an example of one that meets GNG? — Biruitorul ^Talk 07:57, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, these appear to be WP:CFORKs of the bilateral relationship articles. CMD (talk) 10:02, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 17:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Paolo Bellucci[edit]

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Minor league footballer with an almost entirely amateur career, who fails WP:GNG due to lack of WP:SIGCOV - all I could find was passing mentions, transfer reports, non-independent sources and little more. [5] Angelo (talk) 23:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG.-- Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, does not meet the WP:BIO and WP:GNG. --Micheal Kaluba • ^hasspoken 20:22, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 17:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rafael Sciani[edit]

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Minor league player, very little experience in Italian professional football, fails WP:GNG due to lack of WP:SIGCOV. All I could find was passing mentions, empty stats pages and non-independent sources: [6] Angelo (talk) 23:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 17:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Grillo[edit]

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Article doesn't pass WP:GNG, not in its current state, at least. BEFORE doesn't help and this article has been having issues since 2006. No inline citations, etc. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I confess to having edited this article 14 years ago when I felt that every article belonged on Wikipedia. The subject is a low level member of a crime family whose article is essentially about his murder. There are no claims of notability (or notoriety), no mentions in the New York City newspapers or other sources.

In Murder Machine, there are numerous mentions of Grillo, but nothing to indicate that he was really important in the crime family or an important figure to law enforcement. I searched Mob Star: The Story of John Gotti on Google Books and found no mention of Grillo. Rogermx (talk) 03:34, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lacks indepth coverage fails WP:GNG.-- Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 17:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maïmouna Togola[edit]

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The subject, a Malian women's footballer, has not received sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All that came up in my searches were passing mentions like 1, 2, and 3. JTtheOG (talk) 22:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG.-- Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Unable to find SIGCOV InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 16:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Total lack of sources Svartner (talk) 17:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Chad international footballers. Daniel (talk) 17:55, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tigaye Masrabaye[edit]

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Redirect to List of Chad international footballers. I am unable to find sufficient coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. With just two caps, there is no indication of notability, either. JTtheOG (talk) 22:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 21:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Chad international footballers. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:16, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Daniel (talk) 17:51, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Michelle Zacarias[edit]

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Not notable enough to the point where the page is a stub that previously looked like a subject-generated resume. She was a guest opinion piece writer on some of the sources listed, but the ones she actually works for don't have Wikipedia pages. It's also missing significant biographical information.

I'm not sure how to correctly nominate a page for deletion this way, as the rules prevent me from doing it the usual way given how this is an appeal of a nomination removal with which I disagree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brobbz (talk • contribs)

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Comment Currently looking like a résumé isn't a reason for deletion, as long as sources exist that could allow it to be rewritten more encyclopedically; that's a matter for editing, not deletion. People's World, where Zacarias was a staff writer from 2015 through 2019, has an article here. (As do Teen Vogue and Latina [7], as well as The Indypendent — not mentioned in the article, but Zacarias has written there [8]. Ditto the Chicago Reader [9].) So, the claim in the nomination appears erroneous. That said, right or wrong, it's not relevant. Whether an author's primary affiliation has an article or not doesn't have an implication one way or the other about whether that author is, individually, notable. On the face of it, "missing significant biographical information" would be grounds to keep the article, i.e., it's saying that there's more to say. However, looking at the page history, the "biographical information" to which the nominator refers appears to be a BLP violation, so that doesn't really factor in either way. I'm tempted to suggest that WP:CSK#3 applies. XOR'easter (talk) 22:26, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - I agree with the above. The sources demonstrate notability. The page can be improved DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 23:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think the subject is notable enough to keep the article and improve it. I tried to add sources and expand the article, sorry if it sounded too much like a resume but I'm sort of new and I tried my best. I welcome good-faith edits to improve the article to make it more encyclopedic. I think that the subject was nominated to the Chicago LGBT Hall of Fame makes her notable. I contributed to this article because I believe in decreasing the gender gap on Wikipedia (like the Women in Red WikiProject) and coverage on subjects that identify as LGBT, disabled, or other identities that are often overlooked. NatFee (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- She won the Saul Miller Excellence in Journalism Award, given by AFL-CIO for excellent coverage of union issues. This along with the arguments made by my colleagues above seems to me to be sufficient to meet the GNG. Central and Adams (talk) 15:41, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Seems to meet notability even if the article needs to be improved. Also, she has received a major award and other significant recognition. Rublamb (talk) 20:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per all forementioned reasons above. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:16, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎ due to a lack of participation. Daniel (talk) 17:55, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Christopher Erskin[edit]

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Article about a film and music video director, not properly sourced as passing notability criteria for filmmakers. As always, filmmakers are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because their work exists, and have to show evidence of passing one or more criteria for notability -- significant awards, evidence of third-party reliable source coverage and analysis about them and their work in media and/or books, etc. -- but this literally just says he exists, lists a bunch of jobs he did, and sources all of it exclusively to directory entries (IMDb) and other primary sources (Vevo) that aren't support for notability at all, which is not enough.
He needs either a significant volume of WP:GNG-worthy coverage, or a stronger notability claim than just his work's existence. Bearcat (talk) 15:54, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Meets WP:FILMMAKER for the combination of

Directing the feature film Johnson Family Vacation – critically panned but a major film nonetheless – reviewed many many major critics including but not limited to Roger Ebert [10], Richard Roeper (quoted in [11]), Stephanie Zacharek for Salon.com[12], as well as critics for Chicago Reader[13] , Globe and Mail[14], and many other major outlets.
Note that as director, subject was discussed directly in many of these reviews.
Verifiably directing a large number of major music videos including but not limited to:
1. "I Wish (R. Kelly song)" [15]
2. T-Boz's "My Getaway" [16]
3. Uncle Sam's "I Don't Ever Want to See You Again", with Boyz II Men [17]
4. Rome (R&B singer)'s I Belong to You (Every Time I See Your Face) [18]
5. Allure (group)'s version of "All Cried Out (Lisa Lisa and Cult Jam song)" [19]

It seems very likely, given all this coverage, that WP:BASIC is met as well, though WP:FILMMAKER suffices. :—siro χ o 06:27, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Daniel (talk) 17:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Al Yalayis[edit]

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Created by a now-blocked sock, one of a number of entirely misleading geographical articles about Dubai sourced by the author from a statistical database and then dressed up to look like 'places', this article was submitted to AfC by a sock of the blocked user and then accepted in AGF. However, Al Yalayis is a mostly uninhabited area of mostly desert at the edge of which we find a couple of newer housing developments not named Al Yalayis. Not notable per WP:GNG, no RS on offer and a fail of WP:GEO as a community or place - quite rightly tagged as OR and needing citations, it's really not going to get 'em because is not actually a place at all... Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - As I mentioned earlier, the article does not inherit bad faith from the sock. More importantly, Al Yalayis is populated and recognized legally (apparently) as a community. It could be very tiny with 35 people like Al Kifaf, and it would meet WP:GEOLAND. The housing development Mira definitely does not meet WP:GNG, but as long as Al Yalayis is a legally recognized place, we keep this article. I would delete if either of the two are shown:

1) Al Yalayis is a statistical area not a community as the DSC government source indicates; edit and fix List of communities in Dubai

2) Dubai does not have actually have any legal subdivisions beyond municipality-level; move to Al Qudra, remove all the non-GNG communities in List of communities in Dubai

2) There is no such legal subdivision called Al Yalayis; there is only Al Yalayis 1, Al Yalayis 2 ... Al Yalayis 5; this article must be split into 5 articles. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 11:44, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They.are.empty.desert! All bar Yalayis 1/2 which straddle the Mira housing development and so are only mainly empty desert. There is no COMMUNITY called Yalayis. Many of the non-GNG communities in that list were put there by the author. There is no township/village/inhabited place called Yalayis that defines any legal settlement. That is my entire point - it's essentially fallacious. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:58, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary, from what it looks like the UAE is divided into Emirates which is then divided into municipalities which is then subdivided into communities; of which Al Yalayis 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 are. I'm referring more to the DSC source and the DE external link. While citypopulation doesn't demonstrate WP:GEOLAND, it verifies my theory that communities are the 3rd order administrative division and presume GNG via GEOLAND. And obviously, they are populated and not an empty desert, even Al Yalayis 3 is populated. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 13:56, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But they're really not. They're desert areas - you won't be able to go to a bank in Yalayis 3, let alone a post office or shop. It's in the desert. Dunes. Camels. Maybe the odd camel camp or outlying villa or 2. There are no neighbourhoods, no services, no 'communities' and certainly no notability. The article relates to a geographic database entry that has no bearing on the reality - there is no 'place' in Dubai called Yalayis. You'll never go to meet Bob in Yalayis, pop around to see Mary who comes from Yalayis or find it mentioned in any history of Dubai, any list of places where notable people come from or in fact any book about Dubai. Because it's desert. ONE day, you'll find a to-be-developed neighbourhood of low cost houses for UAE Nationals in Al Yalayis 5, but it's not been built - or even started yet. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:03, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Still missing my point on it meeting WP:GEOLAND, none of these are reasons to delete. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 17:20, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. More credible sources just need to be added to the article because just by a simple google search, there several reliable sources that can be added.Micheal Kaluba (talk) 15:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please list these sources you have found. LibStar (talk) 23:16, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Question: Is there a relevant wikiproject, perhaps a geographical one, whose members could contribute some insight here? Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Newyorkbrad, the nominator, Alexandermcnabb, lives there for what it's worth. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 03:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:41, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kenny Badmus[edit]

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An honest time consuming BEFORE did not provide sources that didn't rely on "according to..." "In a Facebook post..." et cetera. The sources available as also seen in the article are not independent of the subject and lacks significant coverage. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 16:38, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I agree with this deletion assessment. Article fails WP:GNG. Some of the references are interviews and, so, not independent of the subject. Cheers, Ezra Cricket (talk) 18:57, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Clearly fails WP:GNG and no SNG to fall back to. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:50, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Google search and Google news shows a lot of mentions in Nigerian news sites. So if we consider that the person is clearly notable. Evanzoe (talk) 15:50, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No, this is a clear delete. Fails WP:BIO by any measure. Go4thProsper (talk) 01:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Schminnte ^{[talk to me]} 22:10, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2024 World Friendship Games[edit]

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Poorly sourced promotion of a non notable event. Theroadislong (talk) 17:14, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Plenty of coverage is present from RS, including [[20]] and [[21]]. Some cleanup is needed but WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP.User:Let'srun 06:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Added international sources from which the information for the article was used. Balalaka21 (talk) 14:23, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Passes GNG. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as it passes notability standards. Cleanup is needed but AFD is not cleanup. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 03:51, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per forementioned reasons above. Needs some work Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:17, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Daniel (talk) 17:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Museum of Foreign Debt[edit]

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Despite the name, this "Museum" is just a single room within the Faculty of Economic Sciences, University of Buenos Aires, and only got a tiny media coverage when first opened. It does not even have a building of its own (note that the photo is the University, not the museum). This page (an official page of Argentina and its topics) lists Argentine museums, and this one is not listed in it. Cambalachero (talk) 17:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Many hits in Gnews searching for the Spanish name of the museum, I'll have to look over them further, but most look ok Oaktree b (talk) 20:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This talks about the museum [22] as does this [23]. Oaktree b (talk) 01:28, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep -- There is a ton of significant coverage of this museum in reliable sources, as I discovered from my initial gscholar search. In particular see:
- University, socio-economic history and identity: The Museum of Foreign Debt, a museum without a collection by MARÍA DEL CARMEN MAZA & GRACIELA WEISINGER CORDERO in University Museums and Collections Journal Volume 5 – 2012. https://edoc.hu-berlin.de/bitstream/handle/18452/18578/fulltext.pdf?sequence=2#page=73

- Nunca Más (Never Again). The Museum of Foreign Debt by Finnegan, Brian in The Public Historian. Santa Barbara Vol. 28, Iss. 2, (Spring 2006): 113-117. https://www.proquest.com/openview/3fcecce5062781529d45469df6b107ce/1?cbl=49186

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Keep: per forementioned reasons above. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Redirect option can be explored editorially on the talk page if desired. Daniel (talk) 17:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kar Kachhe Koi Moner Kotha[edit]

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WP:MILL coverage, no claim to notability Sohom (talk) 20:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep-I have improved this page a lot. Reliable sources are also given on this page ^[1] ^[2]. Besides the show has now charted in Top 10 BARC Viewership of TRP (rank 4 for week no 43)^[3] and clearly passes WP:NTV and WP:GNG with sufficient WP:RS . Nilpriyo (talk) 8:41, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

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Comment I have grave doubts about the the Times of India reporting due to their history of doing paid for reporting (notice how non-Zee Bangla shows do not feature), the TRP list is just that, a list of Bengali serials ordered by TRP with no mention of their actual ratings or any other significant coverage. Indian TV News is a promo peice for Zee Bangla that does not confer any notability. Sohom (talk) 16:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep. Coverage seems to demonstrate a kind of notability. Note about the Times of India: Sources noticeboard says not to use it for political subject matters for example, which the Indian task force clarifies: "Uncontroversial content such as film reviews are usable".

At the very least a redirect to List of programmes broadcast by Zee Bangla is warranted in my view. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:30, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No issues with a redirect, I am still unconvinced of the notability of this specific page Sohom (talk) 15:59, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 17:51, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CaliCam[edit]

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This article about a musician has been tagged as unsourced since November 2022. I have carried out WP:BEFORE and have not found references to add. I don't think he meets WP:ANYBIO, WP:GNG or WP:MUSIC. Tacyarg (talk) 20:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as a blatant ad, would have speedied it as such if that were possible. Mach61 (talk) 20:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I have my doubts about the charted singles, as they are unsourced.. Gsearch goes to some .ai site, then github, then not much for RS. There are zero mentions/no hits at all in Gnews. I can't find anything about this person online. Oaktree b (talk) 21:37, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - A liar could at least pretend to be competent. He wrote this article himself in 2012 (see history) and didn't even know what his stage name was. So was it CAM, Cam, or CaliCam? Cam Cali and CAM CALI also appear in the history. Note to rappers: don't choose a stage name that is unsearchable online (Cam, etc.) or one that rips off a trademarked product (CaliCam). That leaves the option of searching for his various song titles, or the blatant lie that someone invited him to contribute to a Hunger Games soundtrack, and absolutely nothing reliable can be found. This guy's biggest accomplishment was a fake Wikipedia article that flew under the radar for 11 years. Hope it puts food on the table. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per all forementioned reasons above. Lacks indepth coverage fails WP:GNG. -- 12:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)Tumbuka Arch (talk)

Delete. Should have been deleted since because there are no WP:references and reliable sources. Read this WP:NOT. Ezra Cricket (talk) 02:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No WP:references and reliable sources cited in the article. Micheal Kaluba (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as an obviously promotional article. would've been speedied as WP:G11 if it wasn't put up for AfD. Darling ☔ (talk · contribs) 19:17, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Lists of stars. Daniel (talk) 17:51, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of brightest stars and other record stars[edit]

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There is no coverage in basically any sources (so it fails WP:GNG) and the stars are basically just random well-known stars. Half of them are included in List of brightest stars too. Diamantinasaurus (talk) 20:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Completely redundant and unnecessary. sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 20:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. This is just a mishmash of material already at other superlative lists of stars. There's no particular reason why the top random-cutoff-point-for-characteristic of each should all be grouped together. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Lists of stars, which can lead the reader to relevant lists, as WP:ATD. Agree with IP editor that the random cutoff points makes this list a bit of problem. —siro χ o 03:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't see the point of this. List of most luminous stars and List of brightest stars already exist. Dream Focus 06:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Redundant to better, more focused lists. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:CROSSCAT and reasons listed above. Praemonitus (talk) 15:17, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Lists of stars: Everything here already included in other lists. Owen× ☎ 23:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redundant fork of List of brightest stars list, so redirect to that article. Consider adding content not found in the latter article. Toadette ^{(Happy holiday!)} 11:02, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Daniel (talk) 17:51, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Michelle Zacarias[edit]

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Not notable enough to the point where the page is a stub that previously looked like a subject-generated resume. She was a guest opinion piece writer on some of the sources listed, but the ones she actually works for don't have Wikipedia pages. It's also missing significant biographical information.

I'm not sure how to correctly nominate a page for deletion this way, as the rules prevent me from doing it the usual way given how this is an appeal of a nomination removal with which I disagree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brobbz (talk • contribs)

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Comment Currently looking like a résumé isn't a reason for deletion, as long as sources exist that could allow it to be rewritten more encyclopedically; that's a matter for editing, not deletion. People's World, where Zacarias was a staff writer from 2015 through 2019, has an article here. (As do Teen Vogue and Latina [24], as well as The Indypendent — not mentioned in the article, but Zacarias has written there [25]. Ditto the Chicago Reader [26].) So, the claim in the nomination appears erroneous. That said, right or wrong, it's not relevant. Whether an author's primary affiliation has an article or not doesn't have an implication one way or the other about whether that author is, individually, notable. On the face of it, "missing significant biographical information" would be grounds to keep the article, i.e., it's saying that there's more to say. However, looking at the page history, the "biographical information" to which the nominator refers appears to be a BLP violation, so that doesn't really factor in either way. I'm tempted to suggest that WP:CSK#3 applies. XOR'easter (talk) 22:26, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - I agree with the above. The sources demonstrate notability. The page can be improved DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 23:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think the subject is notable enough to keep the article and improve it. I tried to add sources and expand the article, sorry if it sounded too much like a resume but I'm sort of new and I tried my best. I welcome good-faith edits to improve the article to make it more encyclopedic. I think that the subject was nominated to the Chicago LGBT Hall of Fame makes her notable. I contributed to this article because I believe in decreasing the gender gap on Wikipedia (like the Women in Red WikiProject) and coverage on subjects that identify as LGBT, disabled, or other identities that are often overlooked. NatFee (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- She won the Saul Miller Excellence in Journalism Award, given by AFL-CIO for excellent coverage of union issues. This along with the arguments made by my colleagues above seems to me to be sufficient to meet the GNG. Central and Adams (talk) 15:41, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Seems to meet notability even if the article needs to be improved. Also, she has received a major award and other significant recognition. Rublamb (talk) 20:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per all forementioned reasons above. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:16, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jacques Tioye[edit]

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Article about former footballer which fails WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. PROD was declined without making any effort to demonstrate that either guideline is satisfied. My English-, French- and Thai-language searches yielded nearly no coverage of this player. I did find a messageboard post that confirms he played for Muangthong United and that he wore the #9 shirt for the club, but it's not a reliable source and the coverage is far from being significant. Jogurney (talk) 20:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, completely unsourced BLP article that fails SPORTBASIC and GNG as noted above. Zero hits in GNews. Tails Wx 03:19, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per all forementioned reasons above. Lacks indepth coverage fails WP:GNG.-- 12:22, 30 November 2023 (UTC)Tumbuka Arch (talk)

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hilde Vanhove[edit]

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Fails WP:NBAND, WP:NSINGER. Fails WP:BIO, WP:SIGCOV. No indication of significance. scope_creep^Talk 20:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No sourcing found for notability; even in .be sources, we simply find confirmation of various performances given as part of a musical group. Oaktree b (talk) 21:02, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per forementioned reason above. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:21, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The first few paragraphs discuss that she shared a stage with notable jazz artists and that's fine. But also that she was voted the best jazz vocalist, "she was awarded a government medal" and it's all supported by this source: [27]. But I don't see any of this there. What goverment medal subject has recevied? Maybe any of those: Orders,_decorations,_and_medals_of_Belgium? Need to find out. Due to the fact that jazz art is not intended for a wide audience and therefore cannot, with rare exceptions, pass criteria #2, #3, we should entirely rely on expert reviews, if there was any. It could be criteria #10 or #12 here, because of "In November 2015, she sang a gala concert for National Serbian TV in Novi Sad with the Aleksandar Dujin Orkestra." Whether it was substantial or not is not clear, because both sources are YouTube. Roxy177 (talk) 14:19, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete; notability only seems to be from working with other musicians. Darling ☔ (talk · contribs) 19:14, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aridon Bllaca[edit]

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I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The closest thing I found was this and this, which does not suffice. JTtheOG (talk) 19:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per all forementioned reasons above. Lacks indepth coverage fails WP:GNG.-- 12:22, 30 November 2023 (UTC)Tumbuka Arch (talk)

Soft Delete- only statistics sources , I found from my search on Google Wasilatlovekesy (talk) 06:41, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of New Caledonia international footballers. Daniel (talk) 17:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Brice Dahité[edit]

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Redirect to List of New Caledonia international footballers. I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, failing WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 19:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment perhaps notable in particular region or field. Yet requires more content and sources to support a keep. Homerethegreat (talk) 16:13, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 21:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of New Caledonia international footballers. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:23, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, nothing to suggest independent notability. JoelleJay (talk) 18:58, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect, as suggested above. The sources don't show the subject's notability. Micheal Kaluba (talk) 20:00, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Java applet. Daniel (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AppletViewer[edit]

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The article does not contain any sources, and all I can find online is stuff by the companies that make it, tutorials, documentation, or references to it's existence, which in my opinion fails WP:GNG. There's been tags on this page since 2019 and 2020 and no improvements have been made. Lewcm Talk to me! 19:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment There is a suitable redirect target: Java Development Kit. Pavlor (talk) 10:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to or merge with Java applet. Java Development Kit is too broad a subject to redirect to, but applets are the ideal destination for context. Something like "Applets could be viewed independently of a browser with the appletviewer executable as part of the JDK." SWinxy (talk) 21:46, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to BattleTech or a subsection thereof, which can be handled editorially. Star Mississippi 01:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BattleMech[edit]

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I thought we cleaned BattleTech WP:FANCRUFT years ago... somehow, this survived. Almost unreferenced, this is just a mix of BattleTech history + plot summary, and should be redirected to BattleTech just like BattleTech (fictional setting) was (that said, that article was boldly redirected (with some merge) without discussion by User:BalinKingOfMoria so we might as well have formal AfD for that remainder to sanction both redirects). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect' as above. Too much information, and none of it of any interest to most people.TheLongTone (talk) 16:38, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to BattleTech: A good WP:ATD-R per the nom. Doesn't appear to be any RS information that needs to be merged. -- 2pou (talk) 18:09, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- For the record, I also support the bold redirection mentioned in the nomination. -2pou (talk) 18:12, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
keep [28] has quite a few paragraphs describing BattleMechs (see "KNOW YOUR ROLE"). [29] is all about a single BattleMech. [30] has a fair bit of coverage (at least 1 page) with quotes like "Battlemechs are capable of movement called torso-twisting..." and details about overheating etc. [31], 2nd book in that series, has similar coverage. All are independent, reliable sources. Hobit (talk) 18:35, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The first source is just a game guide. WP:NOTGUIDE and game-guides how to pilot a BattleMech or use them in games do not help us much. Then we have a plot summary, a passing mentoion, and a passing mention, all related to the video game. I am not impressed by these sources, sorry. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:07, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For the first source: GAMEGUIDE doesn't disallow the use of sources that are gameguides, it tells us to not write a gameguide. And in this case the source describes, in great detail, the topic in the context of a specific game. The second is about a specific BattleMech, which is a lot of plot, but it can give as a sentence or two about the largest of its kind, which seems useful. The third and forth are a few paragraphs--that's a lot more than is typically a "passing mention" and they cover details like how the Mechs move and why that makes using them effectively difficult, something that belongs in an article like this. All are reliable, independent, secondary sources. The first covers the topic in detail, the second covers a narrow subset of the topic in significant detail, and the the last two are significant coverage. WP:N is met with some margin. And there is a massive amount of primary sources. In fact, finding these secondary sources is only difficult because of the massive number of primary ones. We can write a fine article with what we have. Hobit (talk) 23:20, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
IMHO discussion of how battlemechs move in a specific game (here, MechWarrior 4: Vengeance) is perhaps relevant to that game but does not help us estabilish notability of the concept of battlemech. The book's chapter is about the game, helps estabilish the game's notability, but WP:NOTINHERITED. Its discusion of the game in the context of some interface on piloting mecha, or programming their movement, is again not relevant to BattleMech concept, just video game design and perhaps mecha in general. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:36, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Two points. #1 Our standard is WP:N. There can be no doubt that those sources cover the topic of BattleMech in a way that goes beyond "in-passing". So we've met WP:N. Secondly BattleMechs are going to be covered in the context of a game--they are part of a game (and fiction), there is no other way to cover them. Hobit (talk) 19:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry but I do not see which sources cover this topic in a way that is not in-passing and goes beyond plot summary or gameguide stuff. Which means that we cannot write encyclopedic article, since per WP:NOT states our articles need to be more than plot summaries or game guides. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. This is a fictional topic with games and books. Dozens of games and books, maybe more than 100. This topic is the primary focus of those games and books. None of that causes the topic to meet our inclusion guidelines, though I do find it indicative of a notable topic. Having multiple sources that are reliable, independent sources is, however, the very definition of notable for Wikipedia. We have that. All of these are more than one paragraph. Some are significantly more than that. We are over WP:N. Unless I'm missing something, GAMEGUIDE and NOTPLOT are about how we write the article, they don't restrict sources or add requirements beyond WP:N. Do you disagree with that? If so, could you quote which parts you think either cause us to exclude sources or add requirements beyond WP:N? Hobit (talk) 04:27, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources found by Hobit. BOZ (talk) 18:52, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Per Pou and TheLongTone. In my opinion we can succinctly cover that in the major article, especially that article is not sourced properly. Dawid2009 (talk) 06:55, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to generate clarity between keep or redirect.
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Redirect seems fine, I don't see enough worth keeping as a stand-alone article here. Oaktree b (talk) 17:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to BattleTech#Setting, does not appear to pass WP:GNG as-is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like we're in DONTLIKEIT land. No arguments about why the GNG isn't met given the sources listed. Oyi. Hobit (talk) 04:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Hobit: WP:GNG states that ""Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article." While I agree with the assertion that WP:NOTGUIDE only applies to articles within Wikipedia, not sources, the fact is that WP:INDISCRIMINATE needs to be passed as well. Simply citing game guides still calls into question the relative cultural significance of the topic. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/redirect The only sources really just cover what they do in game, and don't really provide any critical reception or analysis for a meaningful article. When you subtract the WP:GAMEGUIDE style coverage, you don't pass the bar for WP:SIGCOV. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above.Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:25, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎ and salt (again). Daniel (talk) 17:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

B Major (South African musician)[edit]

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Non-notable individual who has their stage name admin protected, see B Major (record producer). Nominated for non-notable awards and cited a user written source and other cited sources are primary and non-reliable. Fails WP:GNG, WP:MUSICBIO and ultimately WP:ANYBIO. dxneo (talk) 17:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The Daily Voice article used as sourcing is the only thing I can find. Having your article basically locked from re-creation is never a good sign; this individual is not notable, lack of sourcing (one source is all I can find, literally nothing else). SALT applies here too I'm thinking. Oaktree b (talk) 17:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Concur with nomination. Also, there are at least 15 salting protections that I'm aware of (done by me). See this list beginning with the first item there from 4 January 2021 on through 20 March 2023. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B major (person) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B Major (Music Producer). --Hammersoft (talk) 18:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's some kind of record. Wow, that's excessive. Oaktree b (talk) 19:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's a long history. You may find Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bmusique99/Archive interesting. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, persistent fellow. Almost to the point of "chasing a road runner using Acme products" persistent. Oaktree b (talk) 21:05, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. A search found nothing that shows notability. Fails WP:GNG and does not meet WP:BASIC. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 21:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Not notable. Article should be deleted per nomination. @ Hammersoft, you have hit the nail on the head. Ezra Cricket (talk) 22:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep : The artist is upcoming and featured in many newspapers, including and international news media called free press info. Where they talk about the subject in detail not just a mention. I also found other articles which are slight mentions such as Plainsman Newspaper. He has also been in the IOL News media site in Africa with south African rapper YoungstaCPT most of the articles can be found using the search term B Major SA. I'd say give this artist page a 3 month trial to see what else comes up.Frankymulls (talk) 04:12, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please link the sources where he is covered in depth. Mach61 (talk) 13:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, please see https://freepressinfo.com/sunday-morning-de-b-major-sa-nominada-a-cancion-del-ano-en-los-cape-town-artist-awards/ and https://www.dailyvoice.co.za/lifestyle-entertainment/major-hit-in-the-making-mitchells-plain-muso-drops-new-album-2507039b-a202-4425-b9df-2a576989517ahttps://freepressinfo.com/sunday-morning-de-b-major-sa-nominada-a-cancion-del-ano-en-los-cape-town-artist-awards/ Frankymulls (talk) 16:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at freepressinfo.com and scanning the current articles in each section...every single one of them is written by the guy who founded the site. It's effectively a self published source. The Daily Voice, as a source to support notability of this person, has been used many times in the past without success. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with Mach61. Further, we don't give articles a three month trial to see if they become notable in that time. Even if we did, this has been going on now for almost three years. Nothing's changed that impacts their notability footprint with respect to Wikipedia. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not to bad mouth anyone but Frankymulls what's gonna change in a span of three months that did not happen in three years? I know the subject is able to pull some strings and most likely fabricate sources, which I believe is definitely how they got their article afloat for this long. I never saw this article at NPR/South Africa. The subject pays editors (mainly new) to write about him, and I'm ashamed to say I'm a victim of that, which is why I was amazed when I saw their article here (of course with no RS). He saw that I created Mvzzle, Rethabile Khumalo, and "Umlilo" then they approached me at my talk then WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger and promised to pay me if I can write about them. If there was no keep !vote I was gonna lean towards speedy, I don't know why it is so important for him to be on Wikipedia and even to go as far as to fabricate source but such behavior cannot be tolerated. dxneo (talk) 16:27, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
user:Dxneo you ask what will change in 3 months that did not happen in 3 years? I can't answer that directly but I can say his latest article in daily voice says he signed with a Notable musician this year in August and is busy with his first Album which is powered by the south African national lottery.

That is what makes it different from all your attempts trying to creste the article, this time there is actual proof that the guy exists

. And that genuine journalists wrote about him at free will, the newspapers even have a wikipedia page which can be found here Daily Voice (South African newspaper)

And has hundreds of thousands readers daily.

Please do your research before taking your personal vendetta out on wikipedia, from what you told me it sounds like you out to get revenge bud.

There are other ways to get back at him. Frankymulls (talk) 17:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody has ever contested that he "exists". It's not enough for a person to "exist" to be on Wikipedia. That a newspaper has a Wikipedia article here does not mean that someone they write about is automatically notable. See WP:NOTINHERITED. As to your accusations of a personal vendetta on the part of Dxneo, I strongly advise you to carefully read and from this point on adhere to Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Comment on content, not the contributor. Your attacking another editor does nothing to help your argument and actually undermines your own argument. Nobody is going to be convinced you're right and we're all wrong because you think someone has a personal vendetta. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I hear your point but the artist actually meets at least 1 requirement at WP:ANYBIO which is 2. The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field.

Also to mention the subject has been featured in a very popular newspaper in Cape town south Africa and a Spanish News Media site which both is secondary from the subject and the news reported by the journalists from these sources are reliable and secondary from each other and the subject.

I see the long excessive trys to create the article on B Major (South African musician), user:Dxneo somehow you have been a sockpocket all along and the energy I get from this deletion is that you have some personal vendetta with the guy. Which we do not allow on wikipedia, your involvement in this deletion gives it the impression that this guy didnt pay you due to your last attempt? And you created the article in the first place knowing the guy wasn't that notable at the time?

Being featured in "multiple" news sources means at least more than 1 article covered in depth about the subject which this article passes. Not to mention WP:Stub. This article definitely has the potential to grow and be more notable in his field unlike the other article I created which is Doc Shebeleza (South African musician)

This artist has a history on wikipedia but it shouldn't determine his future on wikipedia, at this time he at least meets 1/2 requirements and should be in no ways harm of being deleted. Frankymulls (talk) 17:07, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Frankymulls, actually I refused to get paid as I thought I was doing a good thing, and at that time I was inexperienced citing even primary sources meaning I did not know if the subject was notable or not (I did not know anything about notability). The sources you're talking about are written like wiki articles and are likely promotional, the only verifiable of the subject is this one. Oh and yeah maybe I'm a sockpuppet, that's why the admins trusted me with so many perms not once but twice. The subject never charted, was never nominated for any notable award, and never received any recording certifications as per RiSA. I am here to ensure that this is a safe place, I don't do personal attacks. dxneo (talk) 17:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A subject/musician don't need to chart to have a wikipedia page. WP:NOTABILITY Depends on WP:Significant Coverage and Secondary Sources. Which the subject has and it covers him in depth, plus they are newspapers who keeps archives. Whatever is written on his wiki article can be found at least on 2 of the reliable sources which is sited. Frankymulls (talk) 17:27, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you know anything about journalism you will know that if you're writing about a new subject, you have to introudce it properly to your readers. If it's a person, their real names , what they do, date of birth and why you're writing about the subject. Frankymulls (talk) 17:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He's not made any significant cultural impact, BIO point #2 isn't met. If it was, he'd have extensive sourcing an not get deleted this many times, to be blunt. Oaktree b (talk) 05:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

keep: Per WP:NBASIC People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple (which means more than 1) published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Which i don't see how a newspaper from Spain can be intellectually connected to an Afrikaans news paper in Cape Town.

I also found the 2 articles on Google News which is the Daily Voice and Press Info articles, that should pass the multiple coverage required? — Preceding unsigned comment added by UncleCedric (talk • contribs) 17:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you guys think this is a game? Excluding reviewers, you two Frankymulls and UncleCedric are the only people who worked on the article and it's amazing how the latter last edited on 12 September and came back today for this AfD which I believe they did not get a notification from, a checkuser might be needed here. This source is user written and cited in the article. Please see the above mentioned AfDs to see why the subject fails WP:N and why they are salted. dxneo (talk) 18:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I too find it very curious that both Frankmulls and UncleCedric has not edited more than a month and suddenly reappeared when this article came up for deletion. That said, I don't think a checkuser would be illuminating. We do need to assume good faith, but that doesn't mean we shut our eyes and ears. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: per nom and above, there's a history of sockpuppetry and salt. Cited sources are not reliable and not enough to pass WP:GNG. Qaqaamba (talk) 21:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete; no reliable sources and the apparent 15 times this page has been salted under different titles is enough to tell me that they're clearly still not notable. Darling ☔ (talk · contribs) 19:21, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and SALT I feel like an article that has been salted in 15 different namespaces probably should be speedily deleted. Best, GPL93 (talk) 13:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to EMD F40PH#History. Daniel (talk) 17:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

EMD F40PHR[edit]

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Pointless Article, was brought back after over a decade of being gone. The F40PHR is almost identical to the regular F40PH and has no reason to have an independent article. BigSneeze444 (talk) 16:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to EMD SDP40F: It's a rebuild of that type of locomotive, could easily be covered there, with a redirect so people looking for info on the type get pointed in the right direction. Oaktree b (talk) 16:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The F40PHR is very different from the SDP40F, if it gets redirected anywhere. It should be redirected to the F40PH page. BigSneeze444 (talk) 16:36, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to EMD F40PH#History. This model is already covered in detail there; there is no need for a separate article. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:41, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to EMD F40PH#History. This is a needless duplication of information. TarnishedPath^talk 01:34, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above.Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect back to F40PH. This never should have been created, and shows yet again why this editor should have been blocked. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:43, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Mirabito Range. Daniel (talk) 17:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Red Rock Peak[edit]

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I'm not really sure if this is notable, I can't really find any reliable sources about it other than the public domain material it was taken from. Most results on Google are for other mountains also named similarly. Pear 2.0 (say hi!) 16:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Mirabito Range per WP:GEONATURAL - that article should be developed instead. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 16:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Good point, I should have done my due diligence to find a suitable target before nominating. Pear 2.0 (say hi!) 17:34, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Have a word with Aymatth2 who is quietly busy in Antarctica with the names dumps articles, too. Uncle G (talk) 22:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. I much prefer redirecting to a section in a parent article. It takes a lot less effort than an AfD discussion, and users can at least find the basic data even if there is nothing else. See David Range#Features. A lot of the sections here, at present with {{main}} links to stubs, will end up as the targets from stubs converted to redirects. Aymatth2 (talk) 23:33, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I pumped up Mirabito Range mechanically by adding a section for each entry in Geographic Names of the Antarctic that mentions the range. Probably the other three peaks could also be quietly redirected to the range article, assuming searches do not turn up significant new information about them. The range article could obviously use much more detail about geology, glaciology, botany etc. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above.Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request undeletion of these articles. Daniel (talk) 17:45, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dean G. Popps[edit]

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After seeing the consensus build on the Afd of the current United States Assistant Secretary of the Army for Acquisition, Logistics, and Technology, it appears clear that the position does not confer notability on its own. There's nothing else other than routine announcements of appointments to boards and one article he wrote.[32] Clarityfiend (talk) 15:26, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages for essentially the same reason:

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:19, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ivan Šijak[edit]

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I can't find any significant coverage online. Article was also created by the subject. There perhaps could be some Serbian sources I missed, but for now it doesn't seem like the subject passes general or artist-specific notability guidelines. Sgubaldo (talk) 13:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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oppose/keep Sijak ivan (talk) 07:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Appears to have been involved in a few projects [33] with video game companies, but nothing I'd use to build an article. We could revisit if there are sources in his native language, but I can't find any. Oaktree b (talk) 14:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there, here are few links that can relate article to my biography.

http://www.arte.rs/sr/aktuelno/ivan_sijak_gray_matter-11572/1/1/

https://submarinechannel.com/profiles/new-pretty-cool-people-interview-ivan-sijak/

https://fdu.bg.ac.rs/sr-lat/fakultet/nastavno-osoblje/ivan-sijak-70\

https://www.kcb.org.rs/arhiva_vesti/ivan-sijak-gray-matter-video-instalacije/

Kind regards 87.116.183.29 (talk) 19:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, here are few links that can relate article to my biography.

http://www.arte.rs/sr/aktuelno/ivan_sijak_gray_matter-11572/1/1/

https://submarinechannel.com/profiles/new-pretty-cool-people-interview-ivan-sijak/

https://fdu.bg.ac.rs/sr-lat/fakultet/nastavno-osoblje/ivan-sijak-70\

https://www.kcb.org.rs/arhiva_vesti/ivan-sijak-gray-matter-video-instalacije/

https://www.izlazak.com/vizuelna-umetnost/22217-ivan-sijak-izlozba-fotografija-metropolis-revisited-1994 87.116.183.29 (talk) 19:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No evidence of significant coverage from reliable sources, mentions which I found° are surface-level or are from member of projects.Antimargi (talk) 16:38, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I am not finding significant coverage from reliable sources. Existing sources in the article failed verification.--WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:25, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Article, above and BEFORE showed nothing meeting WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 14:03, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. I see a consensus to Keep this article. Editors interested in launching an appropriate RFC or Merging this article know where they should go next. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of minor planets: 624001–625000[edit]

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"Minor planets" are rocks of often less than a kilometre in diametre, of which there is a nearly endless supply, almost none of them (of these higher numbered, smaller ones) in any way notable. We can continue creating pages for them, but why? It's a WP:NOTSTATS violation, a reposting of database entries. I don't know where the cutoff should be (first 100,000? first 500,000?), but we can start by discussing if this one (and by definition future even higher numbered ones) should exist or not. Fram (talk) 08:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Do we have any independent sources writing about any significant number of these bodies, other than JPL and the IAU? Those might not actually be independent; they research and name them! This is pure data, what I'd imagine Wikidata should be designed for. Which lists exactly should be deleted is a difficult question, but it's a lot of them, and this one for sure. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep lists of these are notable, but the lists are so big that we have to break them up here. The idea that each object is not notable, but the list of them is notable. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:38, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- And why is the list notable? Fram (talk) 11:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep, the NASA source is credible and reliable. Though more sources would be helpful. Agreed that the individual planets, minor ones, do not merit their own pages, but as a list this would appear to pass basic notability test. As is, i would like to see some more sources though. Iljhgtn (talk) 13:29, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep

These lists serve as a backbone to WP:Astronomy's minor-planets edifice, and only contain the most superficial details regarding each MP; the vast majority of statistics are not included. Since most of these bodies won't become articles, these lists serve as their default link location, a landing page, so that readers may get a basic idea of what a particular MP is (why is it named the way is it? where is its orbit in the solar system - near Earth, the main belt, near Jupiter, past Neptune? how big is it? is it a member of one of the asteroid groups, or perhaps even an asteroid family?). Links are included to various databases for much more detailed information.
Per WP:NASTRO#Inclusion in another article or list / WP:NASTRO#Dealing with minor planets. Over the years, many non-notable MPs have been #R'd to these lists. The presence of these lists helps lessen the growth of non-notable MPs, either by dissuading article creation directly, or by easily allowing someone to cite WP:NASTRO to turn the non-notable MP article into an #R.

~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 14:20, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speak of the devil ~ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/155142 Tenagra. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 23:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The given example that is currently running for deletion is cited to the exact same two sources as the lists. I would support the deletion of both. We're an encyclopedia, not a directory of minor planets. JPL and the IAU are apparently doing that job. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:48, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is a gazeteer though. So we should have lists of places even if they are located elsewhere in the Solar System. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:37, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh WP:GAZETTEER is a good argument, but easily opposed by WP:NOTGAZETTEER. We wouldn't have lists on every post office in a province or every hill in a city (exceptions occur because of notability guidelines). Lots of data on every [X] in [Y] is compiled by agencies, but not necessarily fitting within our project. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:55, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Again this is a bigger issue than just the one list nominated. There ought to be a discussion about whether Wikipedia is the correct place to operate/mirror a database of space objects, but AfD is not the right forum. Nevertheless, surely one list of minor planets is enough for one encyclopaedia. Why do we have a second, near-identical structure commencing at Meanings of minor-planet names and again branching into hundreds of tabulated lists? This is mad duplication. Surely at the very least these two structures could be merged? Elemimele (talk) 14:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

●Merge with Meanings of minor-planet names- per Elemimele 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 17:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I agree with Elemimele that this is a bigger discussion that needs to happen outside of AfD. —siro χ o 18:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As above, have the larger debate on the subject matter elsewhere. I particularly agree with the comments above by Tom.Reding. Wikipedia needs more of this scientific knowledge, not less. — Maile (talk) 19:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now, and maybe open up an RfC at some point. DrowssapSMM (talk) (contributions) 00:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. If an editor wants to work on this article in Draft space, contact me or WP:REFUND Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ettore Casadei[edit]

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Footballer with zero professional appearances (all his career has been at amateur level in Italy and the US), and the older brother of Italian youth international Cesare Casadei. All the sources I could find, apart from transfer reports, stats reports and non-independent sources from the clubs he played for at the time, are about him being the boyfriend of some minor starlet in 2021 [34] and little more [35] , none of which are either independent enough (including article sources) or covering the subject in thorough detail to be defined as WP:GNG. Angelo (talk) 11:26, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Player with an ongoing career, off the back of a good season in the United States at college level and the potential to continue his career there. Has a decent amount of coverage, especially for the level he's played at, and this interview, and especially this one are independent and decently in-depth. At worst draftify. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 12:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The first one you've cited is barely one paragraph long... The second isn't much longer. Interviews don't count towards notability as they are primary sources. Oaktree b (talk) 14:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Having the "potential" to continue his career indicates he's not at notability, but perhaps in the future. TOOSOON applies. Oaktree b (talk) 14:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment to other users: the user above is the author of the article. That said, the sources you came up with are nowhere close to WP:SIGCOV (they are either non-independent, or are not secondary sources). Angelo (talk) 15:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The second one is literally a Q&A interview, those never count towards notability. JoelleJay (talk) 18:56, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Match reports from Old Dominion University I find, some limited coverage in Italian media. TOOSOON and should be !deleted for lack of extensive sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 14:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per all forementioned reasons above. Lacks indepth coverage fails WP:GNG.-- 12:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)Tumbuka Arch (talk)

Delete. Zero independent sources to support GNG.

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vishnu Dental College[edit]

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Fails NSCHOOL as a for-profit school. No secondary sources with significant coverage available. Fermiboson (talk) 07:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I can't find any independent coverage of this. Cortador (talk) 09:48, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Also cannot find any independent significant coverage. Just review sites. Darcyisverycute (talk) 11:41, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"DONT Delete" I believe that this page meets the notability guidelines for educational institutions,--Kasyap (talk) 09:04, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Clearly a WP:SNOWBALL closure. I see no reason to continue this discussion further. (non-admin closure) Scorpions1325 (talk) 17:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tatjana Đekanović[edit]

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not notable Atakhanli (talk) 07:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG and WP:NATHLETE. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:36, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Question: Has a Bosnian speaker conducted a BEFORE search for sources (I'm not seeing one on the talk page)? If not this nomination is premature, you can't make a good faith declaration that it isn't notable unless BEFORE has been conducted. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: looking at the other language Wikis which cover her has suggested a couple more sources, which with the help of Google translate have allowed expansion of the article. PamD 17:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:GNG with expansion. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep following the work done by PamD and ForsythiaJo in expanding and sourcing this article, which has shown notability. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 18:04, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the coverage which has been added to the page is enough to get us over the GNG line. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Ditto what DaniloDaysOfOurLives stated. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY/WP:BEFORE. The coverage already in the article at the time of nomination did not demonstrate notability, but that has never been the correct standard to apply. Now we have not only the same notability we had before (because notability is not a function of the current state of the article) but a clear demonstration of that notability within our article. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:07, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Obviously notable.--Ipigott (talk) 07:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Notability within the article is clearly stated.Kaybeesquared (talk) 14:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Notability is demonstrated by existing sources. Rublamb (talk) 19:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per all forementioned reasons above. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:40, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 06:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Goalball at the 2017 ASEAN Para Games[edit]

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Just a results listing and a list of non notable athletes. Fails WP:SPORTSEVENT. LibStar (talk) 06:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Ahwahnechee#Paiute Ahwahnechee place names. Thanks for the clarification on target articles. Editors interested in Merging any information know where they can find it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hokokwito, California[edit]

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Mass-created article by Carlossuarez46.

Cites only GNIS, which is unreliable and does not satisfy the requirement for legal recognition per WP:GNIS. Populated places without legal recognition need to pass WP:GNG, however there is no evidence of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources here.

In my WP:BEFORE I searched Newspapers.com for Hokokwito, Hococwedoc, and Hok-ok-wi-dok but drew a blank. I also searched Google Books which found a single one-sentence mention that appears to originate in the 1870's with work by Stephen Powers. In full it reads:

"Hok-ok'-wi-dok, which stood very near where Hutchings Hotel now stands, opposite Yosemite Fall"

This single-sentence, 16-word mention, is not significant coverage. Whilst other books include exactly the same description copied from the Powers one, this copying also does not amount to significant coverage. A search on the Internet Archive also only turned up copies of this single-sentence description from Powers.

A redirect to Yosemite Valley, California would be acceptable as an ATD. ~~We do not have an article specifically about Yosemite Village, in which Hutchings Hotel was apparently located.~~(apparently I just wasn't looking in the right place). FOARP (talk) 16:40, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Yosemite Village Historic District ☺ It even has the Hutchings, although this would be an odd-seeming redirect. Uncle G (talk) 17:33, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The GNIS record coming up blank (sic!) doesn't help. But I found this under Awani in Henshaw 1912, p. 118 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFHenshaw1912 (help), as a simple listing of "9 villages", which is probably the best indicator of where we should have it, given that our article has a "Dwellings" section. Uncle G (talk) 17:50, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- https://books.google.nl/books?id=IGzgCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121&dq=hokokwito+miwok&source=bl&ots=R83e0xWJYR&sig=ACfU3U02jNaBjfCV8Sq0z5t-4iP-w16qEA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwii1p3mxcGCAxWIg_0HHRbbBwM4FBDoAXoECAMQAw#v=onepage&q=hokokwito%20miwok&f=false Djflem (talk) 18:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - That cites Henshaw 1912, p. 118 as its source at the bottom of the article, except sans the author and the specific page number. ☺ And that bare URL doesn't work outside of The Netherlands. Uncle G (talk) 12:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

references

Henshaw, Henry W. (1912). "Awani". In Hodge, Frederick Webb (ed.). Handbook of American Indians North of Mexico. Bulletin. Vol. 30. Smithsonian Institution. Bureau of American Ethnology. (Handbook of American Indians North of Mexico at the Internet Archive)

I'm OK with a redirect to Ahwahnechee#Paiute_Ahwahnechee_place_names. FOARP (talk) 21:43, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Ahwahnechee#Paiute Ahwahnechee place names per above discussion jengod (talk) 19:41, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Would need to be listed there. Djflem (talk) 03:29, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Ahwahnechee listing all of the nine villages mentioned in references either in place names, new subsection, or as prose in text. Do same with Sakaya, California. Djflem (talk) 03:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm stuck with Kentucky at the moment, but I could give it a go. Uncle G (talk) 12:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. I did the additional three villages that were terrible GNIS mess substubs as well. Uncle G (talk) 13:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge per Djflem; site is documented and might be of interest to anyone researching historical sites, but probably not enough information for an article. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 15:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting just because there are several different Redirect/Merge target articles mentioned. We need to narrow that down to one.
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Really? FOARP, Jengod, Djflem, and I have all pointed to the same article. Where's the other one? Uncle G (talk) 12:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @Uncle G The two targets are:Yosemite Valley, California & Ahwahnechee#Paiute Ahwahnechee place names 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 17:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - No they aren't. Read what FOARP wrote later in the discussion. Uncle G (talk) 18:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    - FOARP said he was ok with the other redirect, but the option still stands for their original suggestion. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 20:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      - FOARP was the one who suggested that redirect in the first place, in light of Henshaw 1912, p. 118. You are defending a misreading of everyone quite clearly already agreeing with FOARP a fortnight ago. Uncle G (talk) 21:02, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
        Sorry if I was unclear - both redirects are fine but Ahwahnechee#Paiute Ahwahnechee place names is my preference. FOARP (talk) 21:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Ahwahnechee#Paiute Ahwahnechee place names per the above discussion. It's true, other articles were mentioned earlier in the thread, but having now seen the options I agree with where the general consensus has landed. Cheers. Cielquiparle (talk) 15:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also...I just don't see that there is information to "merge" to the redirect target, either, since there is barely any information there and we're treating GNIS as a deprecated source. Cielquiparle (talk) 15:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Tânia Tomé. ✗plicit 06:41, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Queentanisha[edit]

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BLP, Duplicates subject Tânia Tomé. Unneeded CFORK. No sourcing shows the different name is notable for a standalone article. Suggest redirect to Tânia Tomé#Music and writing where the subject already exists. // Timothy :: talk 05:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Tânia Tomé: no reason to have two articles on one person. Use whichever title has the better notability. PamD 09:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Tânia Tomé: No need to have this useless fork. Owen× ☎ 11:43, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Tânia Tomé per the content fork rules. The merge should be easy due to the duplicated prose. Her recent music under the name Queentanisha is one segment of her career and is less notable than the accomplishments under her real name. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:26, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Tânia Tomé, seems to be the COMMONNAME, the pseudonym gets a lot of hits but the legal name is used across RS. —siro χ o 19:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as above. --Tumbuka Arch (talk) 12:30, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Tânia Tomé per nomination. Darling ☔ (talk · contribs) 19:21, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 03:20, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Susie Kitchens[edit]

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable, but this person never reached the top post of ambassador/high commissioner. Coverage is routine like of her speaking to the media on behalf of the UK Government. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 05:26, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. I could have called this N/C and probably been within admin discretion, but what put me closer to keep is that we have reasonable belief that the Weldon chair is tied with the Dean position. This is not THEREMUSTBESOURCES as StarryGrandma has provided reasonable evidence of that being true in the very recent past, and non one has been able to ID a change rendering it no longer true. If sources don't eventuate, this can be revisited down the line. Star Mississippi 01:26, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sarah Harding (professor)[edit]

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This person fails the notability guidelines ~~for biographies, namely:~~

~~They do not demonstrate a lasting contribution to their field as per WP:ANYBIO~~

~~This alone qualifies the article for notability deletion, but~~ in several other guidelines, such as WP:SIGCOV and having and independent source it just barely squeaks by. Clearly and article that should be deleted. AriTheHorse 04:01, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The Weldon Professorship she currently holds qualifies as a "named chair appointment" under WP:Notability (academics), which shows her notability under that Wikipedia policy. Quick, Spot the Quetzalcoatl! (talk) 04:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agree but the article still has several notability issues which I just don't see as possible to solve... I've edited my original statement to reflect that. AriTheHorse 04:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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I see that, though you've just agreed the article qualifies under WP:Notability (academics), so I would argue that other policies don't need to apply. We'll see what other say. Cheers! Quick, Spot the Quetzalcoatl! (talk) 04:13, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly Disagree: The "General" in "general notability guideline" indicates that it applies to every article. AriTheHorse 04:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are right that it can apply to any subject matter; but it doesn't say that it supersedes all other notability policies. Again, happy to hear what others have the say :) Quick, Spot the Quetzalcoatl! (talk) 04:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, it doesn't. XOR'easter (talk) 23:01, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I was not able to verify the named professorship to my satisfaction: it is on the subject's linkedin, and on the Interlochen biography (likely provided by the subject with minimal oversight), but nowhere on Dalhousie's webpages. The citation record doesn't look like a slam dunk for WP:NPROF C1. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 08:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Clearly meets WP:NACADEMIC #5. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But if it doesnt meet any other notability criteria, such as that it cannot be independently verified that she actually meets WP:NACADEMIC, is she really notable? AriTheHorse 12:08, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there to see it, is it still a tree? Yes. We do not require our topics to meet all other notability guidelines. We do not require articles on sportspeople to meet WP:NPOL. We do not require articles on musicians to meet WP:NATHLETE. And similarly, we do not require articles on professors to meet notability standards for other topics. WP:NPROF explicitly states that non-independent but reliable sources (such as official publications or web sites of the employer) may be used to verify that the person passes criterion #5. As someone who passes a Wikipedia notability criterion, they are automatically ipso facto notable. The fact that they do not pass a different criterion based on publicity rather than professional recognition is unimportant, just as the fact that most celebrities are not given named professorships is unimportant. Keep, bordering on WP:SK3 speedy keep, no valid nomination rationale given. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@David Eppstein I believe the point that @AriTheHorse is making, or trying to make, is that there is no reliable source presented for the named professorship whether independent or primary. I.e. the only citation for the named professorship is not an "official publication or web site of the employer" but rather what looks like a user generated bio for Harding's role as a trustee for an unrelated charity [36]. I have tried the employer Dalhousies website under several searches - and same as Russ Woodroofe above I am unable to verify the named professorship. Also agreed - citation record does not look great from what I can find. Delete [though please ping me if a WP:RS is presented and happy to change]. ResonantDis_tortion 19:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, exactly. Thank you. AriTheHorse 00:35, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Harding is the new dean of the law school at Dalhousie and their public relations department has yet to catch up and create press releases with her full title or a faculty web page. Refreshing that their PR group is not as agressive as those of US universities, but it will have a university link soon enough. The full appointment is both as Dean and Weldon Professor. See these items for the previous deans for evidence:

Kim Brooks, Dean and Weldon Professor of Law, Schulich School of Law at Dalhousie. - 2013 press release
Camille Cameron, Dean, Weldon Professor of Law at the Schulich School of Law - 2017 anouncement
Phillip Saunders, Dean of Law and Weldon Professor of Law, 2005-2010 - in pdf here

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StarryGrandma, so the Weldon Professorship is tied to the Dean position? I don't think this is the kind of named professorship intended by WP:NPROF C5! Russ Woodroofe (talk) 22:33, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Just because the named professorship is tied to the top leadership position, does not make it NOT a named professorship. I mean, you get hired as both, instead of hired as just a named professor, what is your point here? Quick, Spot the Quetzalcoatl! (talk) 07:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would assume, also, that when the named professorship is added to her university biography (by all the accounts above) she will suddenly become notable ... but isn't yet ... seems a bit intransigent as no one has said that a Weldon Professor is not notable except for one person who believes a Dean can't be a professor too for some reason. Quick, Spot the Quetzalcoatl! (talk) 08:02, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. WP:NPROF C5 is the subcriterion that requires the most attention, as named chairs have proliferated. I agree that the Weldon chair appears to be tied to the dean position, and I do not think that a chair granted for holding an administrative office is the kind of distinguished professorship discussed in the subcriterion, especially when the administrative office is not otherwise a pass of NPROF. However, when I looked more carefully at the citation record, I am seeing several highly cited papers, in what I understand to be a low to mid citation field: Justifying Repatriation of Native American Cultural Property, Value, Obligation and Cultural Heritage, and Comparative Reasoning and Judicial Review. The name is common enough that searching is a little difficult: "Sarah Harding chicago" was useful. I think it is enough for WP:NPROF C1, which is what WP:NPROF C5 is supposed to be a shortcut for anyway. "Weak" because the the citation rates drop off quickly after that. I agree that the nomination was ill-formed, not considering the most relevant notability standard. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:05, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. I agree that the professorship is probably tied to being dean, but agree that this is a named professorship nonetheless. While I don't think that all deans are necessarily notable, I do think being a dean is an indication of notability, and I think being dean of Schulich School of Law is a particularly good indication of notability. Josh Milburn (talk) 10:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify until a WP:RS does indeed confirm the named professorship (!vote changed from delete). Because: the evidence provided by StarryGrandma does indicate it is likely the Weldon professorship is linked to being Dean, but none of those references explicitly state the two posts are indeed linked. Consequently, as this is a new appointment, it should not be long until it is confirmed and the article may then leave draft. ResonantDis_tortion 19:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 08:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of the Border (Lamar–McNeese)[edit]

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This "rivalry" appears to be simply a marketing slogan and does not have significant, independent coverage with which to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 18:41, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment There are several media outlets that call this rivalry the Battle of the Border in their coverage. [37][38][39][40] Alvaldi (talk) 21:16, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Going over the sources, in the order in which they appear: Non-WP:INDY. SI bare stats that do not even mention a rivalry. Non-INDY. More bare stats. Non-INDY (and a mangled cite). Non-INDY × 3. Non-INDY and another mangled cite. Non-INDY × 10. I'm not going to read all the non-independent material from school publications to see if even they have any in-depth material on a "rivalry" as such, since none of it counts toward notability. A couple of sentences might be mergeable into the articles on the schools in the sections under their athletic departments, but since it doesn't seem like anyone declares a "rivalry" to exist other than people at the schools, even this doesn't really seem like encyclopedically pertinent claims, and the all the sourcing for it would be WP:PRIMARY. The bare fact that there's a local name, "Battle of the Border", for games (in various sports) between teams from these schools might be worth including at the school articles, since Wcquidditch's sources above show the term used in independent (local news) sources. But none of them refer to a rivalry, and they're not in sufficient depth about this as a long-term series of games to make it notable. The first is about a particular instance of "The three-game series" in one season of baseball, and is almost entirely focused on players and on team stats, not a series of events as such, or a rivalry. The second is about the outcome of a specific football game and how players performed in it. Ditto the third one but basketball. And the fourth but back to football. So, what we have here is simply proof that locals, including the students and the local press, refer to games between these schools as "Battle[s] of the Border". It's arguably pertinent to mention this in schools' athletic sections, but this is not an encyclopedia topic on its own. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. In addition to the sources that Alvaldi has uncovered above, there is also this, and this, and this, and this, and this, and this. Ejgreen77 (talk) 23:04, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The depth of coverage needs to be evaluated; other factors considered in determining whether a series may be considered a traditional rivalry include: (i) geographic proximity of the schools (in this case 60 miles apart on the interstate); (ii) the existence of a trophy or an official name for the series (present here); (iii) competitiveness of the series (McNeese has the edge but not a runaway); (iv) length and frequency of play (series has been played for > 70 years and with regularity); and (v) prominence of the programs (not present here - programs not particularly prominent). Cbl62 (talk) 01:42, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Only the first factor is relevant to whether this should have an article. It matters not one whit that it may have been played for 70 years or has a trophy. It matters whether anyone outwith its coiners has ever documented it, and its trophy and whatnot, in depth during those 70 years, which is only marginally the case from the aforegiven. Uncle G (talk) 09:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - outwith, coiners and aforegiven: Brings to mind a zinger coined by old Bill Shakespeare: "Who knows himself a braggart, let him fear this, for it will come to pass that every braggart shall be found an ass." SIGCOV is the touchstone, and no one has said otherwise. That said, it is entirely appropriate (one might even say "snotor") in close cases to look at other real-world factors in determining whether or not a series of football games is worthy of a stand-alone article. Cbl62 (talk) 16:45, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think the coverage is enough to warrant this staying.KatoKungLee (talk) 00:40, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: agree with SMcCandlish's eval. Sources show that students and school boosters use the phrase and that local news covers local sports. A phrase being mentioned in routine local news does not meet GNG, no sources from WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth found in BEFORE. // Timothy :: talk 02:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Appears to pass GNG with given coverage, including articles providing direct significant coverage from at least seven different publications. Unlike what TimothyBlue seems to be asserting, locality of coverage has no bearing on whether coverage can count towards notability in these types of instances. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:20, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The sourcing provided by User:Ejgreen77 is the kind of WP:SIGCOV we need to establish a rivalry as notable. Cbl62 (talk) 23:01, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG, per the sources brought forth above in this AfD. Ejgreen77 (talk) 18:27, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The Subject meets the WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Micheal Kaluba (talk) 08:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Ejgreen77's new sources are:
- a 1966 newspaper article that devotes 5 sentences to the subject (before going off to concentrate on the subject of the individual players of two sports teams), and at least gives us some historical context, although wouldn't justify a whole article;
- a 1982 newspaper article that is a headline-only match, and spends all of its body talking about a single family with two sports players in it that have ended up in competition with each other;
- a 1979 newspaper article that is fairly substantial, analysing the rivalry itself for a major fraction of the piece, and has an amusing "I don't know that it can be classified as a great rivalry" quotation;
- a 2022 newspaper article that is a headline-only match, that is actually an after-match score report and doesn't discuss a battle or a rivalry at any point in its body, and is a prime example of research-by-search-engine-keyword-matching without reading the source;
- a 2022 newspaper article that spends its first 4 sentences on the subject, and is like the 1966 one, providing more stuff on the subject for its development in the 21st century, building it up, making this three not very big independent sources, with a huge gap in the history between 1979 and 2022; and
- a 1971 newspaper article that ironically explains why the 1982 article is a non-source, since it supports adding content saying that the 1982 situation is run of the mill and why it is run of the mill, which still leaves a huge gap in the history, but it's four small sources now.
Alvaldi's sources are all only phrase matches without content like Ejgreen77's first 2022 article, and one of them is that article, which overlap one would think people actually reading the sources proffered would have spotted. Even doing proper citations instead of bare URLs would have made this duplication easy to spot.
I could make a fair stub out of this, but it would have glaring holes in it that the phrase-only headline-only matching research doesn't fill in. Amusingly with regard an earlier comment in this discussion, the second 2022 newspaper article explains how this is not something that has gone on continuously for 70 years, because it explains that there was a gap when it didn't. We have 40 years missing, during which there could have been further gaps, for all that we know. Would that people were properly researching this, instead of phrase matching with search engines!
So that's a stub with probable scope for expansion, although we have no sources to show that the scope for expansion, to the missing decades, and to the other sports (the proffered sources all discussing one sport and not even the women's teams), is definitely there.
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The result was keep‎. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 06:31, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ulrika Björklund[edit]

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WP:BLP of a political figure, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NPOL. The article literally just states that she's a person who exists, while completely failing to state what political offices she may have held -- but politicians are not all "inherently" notable just for existing, and are only presumed notable in certain specific major offices, so an article that completely elides what offices the person even held in the first place clearly doesn't cut it.
Additionally, the fact that there's no article about her at all on the Swedish Wikipedia doesn't bode well, since there's just no way that Swedish editors would completely overlook her if she were actually a holder of any NPOL-passing office.
In addition, two of the three footnotes here are just address directory entries, which are not reliable or WP:GNG-building sourcing, and the only one that comes from a real media outlet appears to suggest that she's just a local figure in a small town, which is a level at which we would need far, far more than just one GNG-worthy source to deem her notable enough.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt this article from having to contain a lot more substance than this, and a lot more sourcing for it than just one media hit and a bunch of phone books. Bearcat (talk) 13:54, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, AFAIK this person has been elected at local (municipal and county) levels only, which doesn't suffice for NPOL, and the sources fall well short of GNG. I had a quick search and found a few secondary sources, but they only cover her in the context of her crossing the floor to a different party, so again not enough for GNG. There could be more if one digs deeper, but it's not particularly easy as the name is fairly common. If the author can produce more and better sources, then I'm prepared to reconsider my stance, but as it stands this seems non-notable. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:11, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:NEXIST, passes the WP:GNG. A simple two minute Google search shows her switch from the Moderates to the Centre Party due to disagreements with the former's embrace of the Sweden Democrats' anti-migration politics received national media attention in 2022: Swedish Television (public broadcaster) Swedish Radio (public braodcaster). Feature profile in Nerikes Allehanda: [41]. Behind a paywall, but profile on her role in education policy: [42]. Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 02:20, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: meets WP:GNG per Goldsztajn's links. WP:OTHERLANGS should also be kept in mind, and the fact that there isn't an article in the Swedish Wikipedia yet is not relevant to determine notability. --NoonIcarus (talk) 12:27, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:ONEEVENT regarding the party transfer, and the notion tat she has a "role in education policy" seems like a major exaggeration. Not every person who was the subject of a feature in a local or regional newspaper is Wikipedia material. I have access to the Swedish Mediearkivet, but on the basis provided here, it's not at all compelling to search for gems in newspapers. This looks like a regular person who is active in her community and doesn't like a political party. Geschichte (talk) 13:46, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We have multiple, multi-year, sigcov RS, this satisfies the GNG. We may assess the quality, scope or reliabiliy of sources, but I'm not aware of any community consensus that allows us to criticise the editorial decision making of the reliable sources. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 04:36, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is a point of interpretation how significant a given piece of coverage is. And my interpretation is, among others, that the significance is being overplayed regarding the education piece. Geschichte (talk) 07:53, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We have four reliable soruces with SIGCOV in relation to the subject (two of which deal with one issue). An editor's opinion of the importance of the coverage (ie editorial decision making) is not relevant. The second Nerikes Allehanda is reporting on the subject's intentions with regard to education policy; whatever one's views on the contents, it's not our job to assess their importance. Even if you take away that piece, we still still satisfy BASIC/GNG. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 02:33, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - there are five reliable sources with SIGCOV in relation to the subject. Also per WP:GNG. Her work as CEO of SJ is highly notable. BabbaQ (talk) 18:41, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The claim of being the CEO of SJ is pathetic. The given source states that Ulrika Björklund is "the director of SJ Contact Center in Ånge". Not included in the CEO list, although SJ consists of several different parts. The Ulrika Björklund of SJ is not even the same person, it's a different person née Sahlin and born in Timrå! My opinion of delete stands until the misinformation is sorted out. Geschichte (talk) 08:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Maybe close as draftify? In that way, the editors who find gold in the aforementioned references can work this into the article, showing its actual importance beyond WP:NEXIST - and also to facilitate a necessary sorting out of things to avoid throwing other people named Ulrika Björklund into the mix. Geschichte (talk) 09:13, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: But more polishing needs to be done to it. Micheal Kaluba (talk) 14:44, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Goldsztajn. More work clearly needs doing but I think this article meets GNG. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:13, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:41, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cyrus Poonawalla Group[edit]

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WP:NCORP fail. All google hits are trivial mention (hiring and departure of personnel). See also draft at the same name, which was created when someone moved the article to draft, and the article author recreated an unlinked identical article. Fermiboson (talk) 05:04, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Doesn’t pass GNG either (obviously). NM 03:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There are articles on the founder and his son, and their companies Serum Institute of India and, since acquisition in 2021, Poonawalla Fincorp. From one perspective, perhaps the present article "binds" these, but from another perspective, it is only a corporate instrument, without specific notability independent of the founding family and their businesses. AllyD (talk) 17:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 08:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of English-speaking Quebecers[edit]

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Does not meet WP:NLIST; there's a difference between Anglophones in Quebec and 'people in Quebec who can/do speak English'. To me, this is the difference between 'hockey players from Quebec' and 'people from Quebec who can/do play hockey'. I don't see this as a cohesive group of people per the terms of NLIST ("topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources") compared to Anglo-Quebecois or Anglophones in Quebec. It's also not clear what the criteria for "English-speaking" is - should both Justin and Pierre Elliott Trudeau be on this list? Even Quebecer is vague - John Abbott was born in Lower Canada, Samuel Bronfman was from Bessarabia and lived for many years in Manitoba, etc. The topic isn't specific enough to warrant a list under this title. Relatedly, we do not have articles for 'List of French-speaking Albertans' and such from other provinces. Kazamzam (talk) 04:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Would it make any difference if the article was renamed "List of Anglophone Quebecers"?
We have a long article on this group: English-speaking Quebecers. With 47 footnotes and 20 other references (including a book on the subject^[43]), the topic is certainly notable.

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 05:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: as outlined by OP, this list doesn't even make it clear what its inclusion criteria are. Right now, it seems to be a list of people from Quebec who don't have French last names, maybe? Though even that isn't clear, as some of them apparently are born outside Quebec. So what do we even count here as Quebecois? Does being born outside Quebec with parents from Quebec count? Do you have to have to have a registered address there? Also, apparently more than half the people in Quebec speak English, so is this really that notable? And lastly, how do we know this is even correct? Sure, we could check whether, say, and actor from the list speaks English in their films, but that's just original research. Cortador (talk) 11:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- It did slightly more so at its original title, which was List of famous English-speaking Quebecers. So it was meant to be "famous" people, erroneously conflating the notion of having a Wikipedia article with fame and importance. Uncle G (talk) 11:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you think that this is unclear in its criteria, just read the discussions of the categories such as Category:Anglo-Quebecers and Category:Anglophone Quebecers and Category:Anglophone Quebec people. ☺ Are you in, Mr Serjeant Buzfuz, Kawnhr, and Nyttend? You could all probably help here. Uncle G (talk) 11:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Seems to fail WP:NLIST. Owen× ☎ 11:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The title is referencing anyone who doesn't identify as a French-language native from Quebec; Canada has historically had two groups, the English everywhere else but Quebec, and the French population from Quebec (and to a lesser extent, in the rest of the country that are descendants from the original French settlers) that are the reason the country is setup as it is. The title refers to individuals from the first group that live among the second group, inside Quebec. Oaktree b (talk) 15:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: List is fine, needs some sort of an introduction to explain what is meant by the title perhaps. Canada was founded by French settlers, who were then conquered by the English and setup the country as we have it now, with the English group being larger than the French group (ignoring the Native population and everyone who doesn't fit in either category, but that's a discussion for another time...) Oaktree b (talk) 15:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b - agree with the above explanation about Franco and Anglo history in Quebec and ROC, but for the non-Canadians among us, that's unclear from the title. I would at minimum change the name to Anglophone to clarify that it's not referring to 'anyone in Quebec who can speak English' because that would be an enormous list of minimal value. And the meaning of "Quebecer" is similarly vague: the Bronfman family was in Manitoba for decades, John Abbott was born before "Quebec" was the entity that it is today, author Sarah Bernstein lives in Scotland, Dov Charney flew the coop to the US as a high school student, and so on. @Cortador is right in pointing out that what counts as Quebecois is unclear. Kazamzam (talk) 15:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Using "Quebecois" in referring to English-speaking Quebecers is not helpful in this context, as that word can mean people from Quebec, but it can also mean those Quebecers of traditional French-Canadian heritage. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 17:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz as someone who is Quebecois in both senses of the word, I am familiar with both meanings. It's an imprecise term, as is the word Quebecer itself. My issue with this point, and with your reply below (almost all of which I agree with) is that what makes an "English-speaking" "Quebecer" is so vague that this list could incorporate thousands of people who do not have much in common beyond a linguistic characteristic that is non-specific (i.e. immigrant English-speaking Quebecers for whom English is a second, third, or fourth language vs. the well-established Montreal Jewish community vs. First Nations groups) and a residence status that is fluid. Are we going to update the list every time someone on here moves? When does someone start and stop being a Quebecer and who gets to make that call?

I agree that as a constitutionally reocgnised group there is sufficient notability; my argument is about the lack of coherence as a group in the current form that this list is in. Kazamzam (talk) 18:20, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comments. I agree it's a fluid concept, but I don't think that means it's unworkable. If we treat it solely as a combination of English as primary language, and residence in Quebec, and get away from the idea of it being an ethnic identity, then it becomes more workable. An "English-speaking Quebecer" is someone whose primary language is English, and whose residence is in Quebec. If they leave Quebec, they're no longer an English-speaking Quebecer. For example, retired Supreme Court judge Ian Binnie was born in Quebec and spent his early years there, but moved to Toronto where he became highly notable. I wouldn't treat him as an English-speaking Quebecer, because he's notable for his legal career in Ontario. Again, there may be edge cases, where someone who speaks English has spent most of their life in Quebec and is notable for their working life in Quebec, but retires to Florida. :) But we don't throw out a concept because there are some judgment calls. From the perspective of notability, I would find it contradictory to have an article on English-speaking Quebecers that meets notability standards, but then say that it's not possible to have a list of English-speaking Quebecers. How can that be reconciled? I think we have to accept that it is a fluid concept, but I don't think that means the list is unworkable. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename to “List of anglophone Quebecers”. From a policy perspective, this list meets WP:NLIST: the topic is notable and the list entries are verifiable by blue links. Deletion ≠ cleanup.

The article needs improvement by better defining the criteria and perhaps purging a few members after this is done. The list might also address some of the ambiguities noted above by breaking into sections:

- Anglophones from Quebec now living elsewhere
- Anglophones now living in Quebec from other places
- Native anglophone Quebecers

I think this list is as much about an ethnic identity as it is about language skills. —A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 16:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: (1) The existence of an article on English-speaking Quebecers, with numerous cites, demonstrates that this is a notable topic. A list of English-speaking Quebecers is consistent with that article. (2) "Anglophone" means "English-speaking". See the Google search of dictionaries for "Anglophone". Changing the list to "Anglophone Quebecers" does not add anything. (3) "Anglophone Quebecer" is not an ethnic category, but a linguistic one. Immigrants from non-English speaking countries can be English-speaking Quebecers. (4) The English-speaking linguistic minority in Quebec has constitutional recognition. Section 133 of the Constitution Act, 1867 gives them the right to speak English in the courts and the legislature, regardless of their ability to speak French. Members of the English-speaking linguistic minority in Quebec also have educational rights, to have their children educated in English, at public expense, under s. 23 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. As a constitutionally recognised linguistic minority, they are a notable feature of Canada's political and cultural arrangements. (5) Since this is a linguistic characteristic, not an ethnic one, it doesn't matter if someone was born outside Quebec, like the Bronfman example. If an English-speaking Canadian moves to Quebec from another province, they become an English-speaking Quebecer. As well, if an English-speaking person leaves Quebec permanently, they are no longer an English-speaking Quebecer, since it's not an ethnicity. It's based on residence. (6) There will always be edge cases, such as the Trudeaus. The existence of a difficult-to-classify example doesn't mean the concept should be thrown out. (7) For someone like Abbott, my rule of thumb when I'm doing biography articles is that if a person was living in Quebec after it came into existence in 1867, they are a Quebecer. Again, the existence of a difficult case doesn't negate the concept entirely. (8) There is a List of Franco-Ontarians, a linguistic minority living in Ontario. It makes sense to have a similar list of the English-speaking minority in Quebec. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 17:59, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Was typing up a longer response but Serjeant Buzfuz beat me to it. But the short version is that "English-speaking Quebecer" is a linguistic community, which is why the rules of inclusion are fuzzy, but it is nonetheless a notable group of people (which is why there is a parent article on it already). Perhaps the list could do with some clean-up (I haven't looked closely), but AfD isn't the place for that. — Kawnhr (talk) 18:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, one option would be to put clearer requirements into the list description; perhaps a statement that the list only includes residents of Quebec for whom English is the first language learnt and still understood, which is one of the definitions of a rights-holder under s. 23 of the Charter. Could also put in a requirement that it only includes English-speaking Quebecers who were active post 1867. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 01:01, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
On reflection, that test of "1st learnt and still understood" may be too strict, as it wouldn't include individuals who have a different mother tongue, but use English as their primary language in Quebec. Some immigrants, for example, may have a different mother tongue but use English primarily. Perhaps a requirement that "English is the primary language used by the individual"? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And, thinking about it more after my reply just now to @Kazamzam: perhaps a third requirement: that they are notable for their careers in Quebec. That eliminates people like Justice Binnie, who were born in Quebec, but are notable for their career in another province (in his case Ontario). Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Similarly, looking at the "B" section, in addition to Binnie, I would delete Saul Bellow. Born in Quebec, but moved to the US at age 9, and is notable for his literary career in the US. Those are just a couple of examples. If we were to put clear criteria on the list, there would have to be a clean-up crew. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Still cruising the "B" section, I would keep Scotty Bowman. By the nature of his job, he's moved around North America a lot, and now lives in Florida, but his claim to notability as an English-speaking Quebecer is that he coached the Habs to four Stanley Cups. Can't get much more Quebec-notabilty than that! :) Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 17:33, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz - this is great stuff but there have been zero edits on the article or its talk page in the past 3 days at this point, and it is still unreferenced from October 2007 (this pains me physically). Without the changes you've proposed, we run back to the previous problem(s) of the list being too unspecific in the definitions of both its major terms and potentially falling afoul of WP:NLIST. Do you want to get this dialogue started on the talk page and we can close the AfD + make the necessary changes? Kazamzam (talk) 05:21, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Glad we're reaching a consensus. I've taken your suggestion and started a discussion on the Talk page for the List article. Comments welcome. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 14:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've now gone through the list and deleted a lot of individuals who did not have any clear connection to Quebec other than birth and education, but career elsewhere. I've also listed several "edge" cases on the Talk page. I would appreciate any comments on the proposed criteria for inclusion, and the edge cases, which editors may have. I think with those deletions, and the proposed criteria for inclusion, the list meets the criteria to continue as a list. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 18:08, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Serjeant Buzfuz. S5A-0043^Talk 12:13, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move and redirect to List of Quebecer English-language activists. Across dozens of bi-lingual countries we have lists and categories not of speakers of languages, but of people who either (a) actively work to promote a language (Category:Language activists) or work specifically with media in a language Category:People by occupation and language. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails to meet WP:NLIST. Inclusion criteria are not specific enough as demonstrated by how many listed individuals have had to be deleted from it. Topic is also much too broad. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 06:34, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Foundation for Middle East Peace[edit]

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One non-notable think tank among thousands. Current sourcing is pretty bad (all SPS), and a WP:BEFORE turns up no WP:SIGCOV of the organization. Only routine WP:NOTNEWS coverage of the org signing statements or listed affiliations of its personnel, which does not establish WP:GNG. Tag for WP:V have been on the page for 10 years. Longhornsg (talk) 03:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Did my own research yet nothing to add to nom. gidonb (talk) 13:32, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Neighborhood association. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comparison of homeowner associations and civic associations[edit]

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10 years later, User:Missvain's PROD concerns hold true: the article fails WP:GNG and is WP:OR. Its synthesis would will remain the latter unless WP:reliable sources could be found that extensively compare these associations. The top search results ([44][45]) are merely 4 paragraphs. Scholarly sources are unlikely to provide necessary comparison [46][47]. XxTechnicianxX (talk) 02:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Wow, what a flashback! I confirm with the noms assessment. Still fails GNG and OR. Thank you for tagging me. Missvain (talk) 03:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Neighborhood association: and source properly. Owen× ☎ 11:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge if you can find sources. I assume its different in different nations. Dream Focus 19:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There is no clear merge target (why NA and not HOA, or other similar topics)? And even if there were, nothing here is sourced, so there's nothing to merge anyway. If you want to flesh out content at any similar articles, then do it de novo. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:43, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Graydancer's Ropecast[edit]

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I couldn't find any sources besides the two used in the article, and both are interviews. QuietCicada - Talk 00:48, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Just another one of millions of podcasts out there, no evidence to suggest this one is particularly notable beyond a couple of passing mentions in the press. Flip Format (talk) 14:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete because it doesn't pass WP:NPODCAST or WP:GNG. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:48, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per all forementioned reasons above. Lacks indepth coverage fails WP:GNG. -- 12:33, 30 November 2023 (UTC)Tumbuka Arch (talk)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:42, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bahrain–Spain relations[edit]

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This article is largely sourced from one source which is primary. In fact, all sources are primary. Lacking elements of notable relations like embassies and state visits. The agreements are minor. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 01:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- I can find no sources at all that would make this notable (fails GNG). It appears to be part of a trend to make a stand-alone article for every combination of countries on the planet, regardless of how insignificant the relationship might be. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 13:19, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per above. Lacks indepth coverage fails WP:GNG.-- 12:33, 30 November 2023 (UTC)Tumbuka Arch (talk)

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The result was redirect‎ to Jawahar Navodaya Vidyalaya. ✗plicit 00:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jawahar Navodaya Vidyalaya, Bagudi[edit]

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No third-party sources found. Sohom (talk) 00:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Sources are primary or dead links. Fails WP:NSCHOOL. LibStar (talk) 09:34, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Jawahar Navodaya Vidyalaya.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:49, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No issues with a redirect. Sohom (talk) 12:15, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Organization for Understanding Cluster Headaches[edit]

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Last AfD was 13 years ago. some of the sources identified then are now dead links. I searched for "Organization for Understanding Cluster Headaches" and "Organisation for the Understanding of Cluster Headache " and could not find significant indepth coverage. LibStar (talk) 00:03, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete due to the lack of reliable sources. DirtyHarry991 (talk) 06:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The organization is mentioned here [48], but that's not enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per all forementioned reasons above. Lacks indepth coverage fails WP:GNG.-- 12:34, 30 November 2023 (UTC)Tumbuka Arch (talk)

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[1] "Kar Kachhe Koi Moner Katha Serial Zee Bangla Starring Manali Manisha Dey, Basabdatta Chatterjee in Lead". Indian TV News.

[2] "Manali Manisha Dey, Basabdatta Chatterjee starrer 'Kar Kache Koi Moner Kotha' to bring back nostalgia of 'Para culture'". The Times of India.

[3] "TRP List Bangla Serial: বড় অঘটন! প্রথম তিনে নেই 'অনুরাগের ছোঁয়া', বাজিমাত কোন মেগার?". Aaj Tak Bangla.

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