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Farhan Ahmed Malhi[edit]

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This actor-cum-model does not meets WP:ACTOR as I am unable verify their "major roles" in TV shows as require by WP:ACTOR - nor does their coverage satisfy the basic WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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New Stage (Jesse McCartney album)[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NALBUM. This was previously redirected and has recently been recreated, but I am still struggling to find evidence of notability here. There are some reliable sources, but the problem is that they are interviews and therefore fail WP:PRIMARY – all the quotes and descriptions of the album are from McCartney himself, and the only real independent information you can get from them is "his new album which is coming soon after a seven-year break has 11 songs about his fiancee, and it was delayed by the COVID-19 pandemic". Which doesn't really need an entire article to say, and doesn't provide any notability for the album, it's just a description. To be completely fair here, I found another RS which is not used in the article [1]... but again, it's another interview with almost nothing noteworthy to be extracted from it. The Entertainment Tonight interview is from two years before the album and doesn't mention it at all, and Euphoria doesn't look like an RS to me – no evidence of an editorial team, and it appears to be an "anyone can contribute" website like Medium. No reviews, no chart positions, and nothing about the album at all after its release, apart from tour dates... all we have are these promotional interviews. Richard3120 (talk) 20:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Jesse McCartney: Found no evidence of notability myself. Surprisingly, this was accepted from a draft. Somehow landed the one reviewer who would approve this, I guess. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 22:25, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mario Acampa[edit]

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all mentions in the sources included in the article are in passing. Nothing available in the article or online about his life to help establishing notability (WP:SIGCOV) FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Waqar Zaka[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this subject, a VJ-turned-television host and a cryptocurrency enthusiast, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SNG. I found only https://www.dawn.com/news/448557/chit-chat-meet-waqar-zaka this interview and nothing much. Lkomdis (talk) 19:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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SPEEDY KEEP: I'm curious how someone who someone hasn't been active on WP suddenly pops ups after four years of silence to nominate this BLP for deletion and throwing around accusations that I'm a paid editor and causing a stir about my editing behavior too. BTW, this BLP isn't promotional like they're saying over at WP:COIN. Feels like some undercover agents got activated once I started calling out Pakistani UPEs. I feel like this should be WP:SK because I'm not buying the editor's intentions. --—Saqib (talk I contribs) 21:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Saqib I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil. You acted like you owned the page, which makes me think that you and Aanuarif have an unreported financial interest in promoting Waqar Zaka, Editors do not own articles and stop attacking other editors based on your assupusons, it will not save the article, as you defended in second nomation here There is ongoing discussion on COIN about this, Regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. So let it be reviewed by the community.

And the nature of your edits look you may have conflicts of interest, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. Lkomdis (talk) 05:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's something to think about if I had a COI and was getting paid by Zaka as you claim, why would I remove all the PROMO stuff about him? Instead, I'm adding STUFF that might not make him happy. Anyone can check the page history to see if I'm the one who added the PROMO or the one who deleted it. And BTW, since you mentioned @Aanuarif, if you had bothered to check their tp, you wouldn't be saying what you're saying. Absolutely baffling. - how in the world does Zaka think he could pay me to scrub his PROMO from his own BLP. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 06:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Personal attack removed) Aanuarif (talk) 10:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you stop editing after being caught slipping in WP:PROMO and WP:OR into the BLP? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Personal attack removed) Aanuarif (talk) 10:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saqib, Discussion on COIN about this still open, so don't don't conclude the result of this nomination or COIN by yourself, let the community review the whole case, as you are in a list of ongoing COIN discussion and a potential candidate of COI, I will suggest, please don't make any further edit to Waqar Zaka, as you recently did. Lkomdis (talk) 11:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment @Saqib as the user responsible for 50+% of the article text, do you want to comment on the specific issue of notability? It does seem there's not much there other than interviews which are typically disregarded (or nearly so) in notability discussions. In terms of independent content I'm looking at the Samaa article about a trading contest, and the article about him being arrested for cannabis, but not much else.
Personally I think it will in most cases be uncivil to make COI/UPI/Sock allegations at talk pages (and none are made here). It seems very appropriate to make them at the COI noticeboard. Similarly, there's an instance of seeking guidance from an administrator about your editing, which seems to be good faith even if it might feel like an attack. The last diff ostensibly has nothing to do with @Lkomdis. If you are suggesting this meets speedy keep because it's brought for improper purposes, that could border on uncivil as well. Oblivy (talk) 03:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The subject absolutely fits the bill as a Creative professional. How so? Well, he was the force behind some seriously popular Pakistani TV shows like Champions with Waqar Zaka, XPOSED, Living on the Edge (Sabse Himmat Wala Kon?), King of Street Magic, Desi Kudiyan, The Cricket Challenge and Video On Trial - just to name a few. Even though these shows might not have their own WP articles but they have definitely received coverage from various RS. HERALD's states Zaka started his television career in the early 2000s and gained recognition as the host and director of Pakistan’s first adventure/dare game show, Living On The Edge. Other shows he is recognised for, and sometimes ridiculed, include XPOSED, Desi Kuriyan and Video On Trial. And this HERALD's piece states Its host and director was Waqar Zaka who has carved a name for himself in the genre. HERALD was a highly reputable and esteemed Pakistani publication. I'm confident others would concur + He's recently co-produced a film called Babylicious and lately, he has jumped into the cryptocurrency and is getting loads of press. Sure, some of it might be paid to make him look like a crypto genius. On one occasion, Government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa appointed him as an expert (when he's not) in its advisory committee but it does suggest he's getting attention in this field too. Recently, he was accused of involvement in crypto fraud as well. So if you're not seeing much press coverage on him, you might wanna check out DAWN, The Express Tribune, Daily Times, The News The Nation and so on - all those are legit RS and they've got plenty to say about him - both positive and negative. Additionally, there is abundant coverage of the subject in Urdu language sources but I feel it's not appropriate to consider them here as we're on English WP and thus should prioritize English language sources. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 06:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reply. It would seem odd if brief career summaries in newspaper articles, like the Herald article, demonstrated he is an important figure for WP:CREATIVE. The rest of the mentions in the Herald article are based on an interview. And press coverage about crypto or legal troubles doesn't go anywhere towards satisfying creative professionals (although it might show WP:GNG if he's assessed under another standard).
I haven't been through all the search results you pasted in but it seems like quite a bit is either self-promoting (something you acknowledge is a risk here) or based on legal troubles. Could you provide the three sources you think best demonstrate notability? I just don't know enough to vote but I've got an open mind. Oblivy (talk) 07:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just wanted to clarify that those Herald stories weren't provided to establish WP:GNG. They were just there to show Zaka was the brains behind those TV shows and the shows themselves got press coverage from RS so as per WP:CREATIVE, he's in the clear. Take Champions for example. It got so popular - even if for all the wrong reasons- that it got banned by Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority. And for Living on the Edge, he says India straight-up copied it for MTV Roadies. According to the Express Tribune (the local partner of The New York Times), this show had a solid eight-season run and was a major cash cow for the channel. According to the same Express Tribune, Zala has a cult following thanks to his TV shows. And then there's his film production Babylicious, which got a bunch of reviews as well. Meanwhile, If you check the links I provided previously, you'll see he's been in the press way more than our average Pakistani actor. Sure, some of it might be paid, but there's plenty of legit coverage too. I could pull out the top three examples if you want, but honestly, we don't even need to argue about WP:GNG. WP:CREATIVE's got our back here. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to trawl through your searches to figure out what you think is going to help this article pass ~~GNG~~ notability. So far I've seen a bunch of "this guy is a legend and we interviewed him" articles but based on that I'm not inclined to vote up or down. Oblivy (talk) 16:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like you're clearly missing my point. Who asked you to review based on WP:GNG? Also, I didn't provide any search results in my above comment. I suggest you read my comment again timestamped 09:46. --—Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think merely being the presenter of a TV show counts as "creating or playing a major role in co-creating" a significant work. Otherwise we'd consider every actor starring in a TV show to be a "co-creator" and we wouldn't need NACTOR. And being one of several producers of a film isn't really sufficient either -- it's made pretty clear in the linked source that the major creative force was the director. I think you will need to establish GNG to have case for notability. JoelleJay (talk) 00:10, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neville Records[edit]

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Currently fails WP:GNG and do not qualify for a standalone entry under any music related SNG. WP:ATD-R would be the best option and the target should be the founder’s article, Sydney Talker. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This is an obvious merge target to the founder, so I'm not sure why it's at AfD. Chubbles (talk) 14:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, straightforward NCORP failure. Mach61 14:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tomlab[edit]

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Quick check finds no significant coverage on the company that passes WP:ORGIND. A record label is a business/company, therefore it's expected to pass NCORP for it to kept. Graywalls (talk) 18:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Unique Kings Obi[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG or any related SNG. Sources are either passing mention, primary or not independent of the subject. The only sources that give SIGCOV are obviously promotional paid puffs and connected to the subject. The Vanguard piece [2], and the Independent pieces [3], [4] are examples. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 02:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Subject is a notable figure in Nigeria and has enough sources to prove this. The passing mentions for were added to as an evidence to a sentence. The references about the African Creators Summit were also added to evidence the information that he is the founder of the summit Mevoelo (talk)

Retro (DJ)[edit]

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No sign of notability, searching for this guy returns basically nothing, and the three sources hardly qualify for WP:GNG (one of them is a YouTube video). Allan Nonymous (talk) 20:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - agree that this fails GNG. I've only been able to find three mentions other than his own site.^[1]^[2]^[3] None are significant coverage. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 20:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Batte, Elliott. "Dappy Unveils 'Good Intentions' Video - Watch Now - Stereoboard". Stereoboard.com. Retrieved 2024-05-08.
^ "RIO's not so Unpredictable future". 2010-08-03. Retrieved 2024-05-08.
^ "Dappy debuts new single 'Come With Me'". Digital Spy. 2012-06-27. Retrieved 2024-05-08.

NBA music[edit]

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Article tragically lacking in sources and dripping with WP:OR. Cleaning this up would reduce it to stub status. Few incoming pageviews. Dubious notability. I'm not finding any equivalent articles for major sports leagues. Delete. 162 etc. (talk) 16:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete 100% OR, with only random YouTube videos and listicles discussing the topic of "NBA Music" as a concept. Reference 3 comes close, but it is specifically about crosstalk between hip-hop culture and basketball; I guess some relevant content could be merged to Hip hop (culture). But the vast majority of the article is made-up or synthesized. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 03:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Imam pesmu da vam pevam Tour[edit]

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Fails GNG. Sources in article and BEFORE did not show WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. Found promo, announcements, nothing meeting WP:SIRS. No objection to a redirect to Lepa Brena#Tours and concerts // Timothy :: talk 16:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of songs about Bangalore[edit]

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Previous AFD was a mass nomination that ended in keep, for many reasons, except for the article's actual merits. Because there are none.

The deletion reason is the same as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs about Ahmedabad, Madras, Oslo etc.: The list fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE, WP:LISTN and WP:OR. There is little to nothing worthwhile in this list, be it content or context. Geschichte (talk) 08:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Neutral None of these songs have their own articles, but some of the people singing them do, and the films they are in do as well. Dream Focus 03:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs about Dubai[edit]

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The deletion reason is the same as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs about Ahmedabad, Madras, Oslo etc.: The list fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE, WP:LISTN and WP:OR. There is little to nothing worthwhile in this list, be it content or context - the mishmash sources or the songs' lack of standalone notability don't help. Geschichte (talk) 08:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Totally agree. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It would be one thing if it involved native UAE artists singing about the city, but this is just a list of rappers and singers name-dropping it because 'it's a money city', along with somehow three generic inspirational tunes for a delayed expo that took place a year late. Nate • (chatter) 16:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aida Vee[edit]

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lack of notability. little to no 3rd party articles detailing artist Minmarion (talk) 02:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Miscellania (nightclub)[edit]

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Does not meet WP:NCORP/WP:NBUILD/WP:GNG. All coverage online is trivial. Can't find any reliable, independent in-depth sources on the subject. Clear friend a ^💬 17:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete coverage is mainly from industry related sources. Would need more genuine third party sources to meet GNG. LibStar (talk) 04:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of FIFA World Cup songs and anthems[edit]

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Falls under WP:TRIVIA and possibly WP:FAN. Also, fails WP:V. kpgamingz (rant me) 18:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - WP:LISTN states "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". There is RS coverage discussing "FIFA world cups song" as a group.^[1]^[2] However, the "other songs and anthems" and "broadcaster theme music" sections are of dubious notability/verifiability and stretch the list criteria a bit; they should be removed. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 20:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Flores, Griselda (2022-10-24). "Here Are the World Cup Songs & Anthems Through the Years". Billboard. Retrieved 2024-05-05.
^ Singh •, Sanjesh (2022-10-12). "What Are the Best FIFA World Cup Anthems of All Time?". NBC New York. Retrieved 2024-05-05.

Keep: Seconding Jonathan Deamer's assessment, and also noting multiple reliable sources in the list covering individual songs, including Billboard, NPR, and La Nación. On the other hand, many sources (especially the USERG 45cat and Discogs) need removing/replacing. Definitely needs work, but that's no reason to delete. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 21:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The official songs are part of the FIFA event. Svartner (talk) 23:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep as above, clearly notable topic. Giant Snowman 09:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above, some of these songs are very notable, it's a good list article. Govvy (talk) 09:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per above. dxneo (talk) 06:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Venus (SiriusXM)[edit]

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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 15:38, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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M.G Hkh[edit]

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Subject does not pass WP:MUSICBIO. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, subject fails NMUSIC and GNG. -Xclusivzik (talk) 06:28, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: WP:MILL, lacking SIGCOV, and doesn't meet WP:ANYBIO, WP:NMUSIC & WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Ratnahastin (talk) 09:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as managing to failing NMUSIC, GNG, ANYBIO, MILL, SIGCOV, and GNG. Wow! Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 22:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article should be retained as it documents the Zimbabwean notable rising rapper M.G Hkh, and many others may be interested in his profile too.— Preceding unsigned comment added by TakuChiwanza (talk • contribs)
- That essentially amounts to a WP:USEFUL arguement, which is general not considered to be good.
Speedy delete: Created by Prince peter moyo. Seems like it's an autobiography of a non-notable individual. dxneo (talk) 07:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ogaga Sakpaide[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. Sources are obviously PRs, advertorials, interviews, piecs that closely relates to the subject, and passing mentions, etc. No credible claim of notability on this one. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The article currently has about 17 references, which would mean that the editor tried to find sources on the subject. I did an online search, and I couldn't find any secondary independent reliable source. The subject doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG. Most of the sources used in the article are either advertorials, or most parts written in first person pronoun, "I" (in the interviews). They're not reliable. ZyphorianNexus (talk) 02:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: PR sources for a PR folk—in unreliable sources. GNG is not met. Best, Reading Beans 10:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The subject has not been discussed in reliable sources independent of him. Majority of the article's sources are interviews he granted with a few outlets. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per ZyphorianNexus, fails GNG and ANYBIO. dxneo (talk) 07:09, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Hessburg[edit]

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Unreferenced article and subject does not seem notable, either for his music career or for his app designs. Can't find any significant coverage online and seems to fail WP:MUSICBIO InDimensional (talk) 20:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Conducted a BEFORE search and didn't find much we could use. Took a look at the previous AFD held in 2006, and the result was keep. All I'd say is Wikipedia was so much different back then. IMO those votes would not constitute an outright keep consensus today. X (talk) 20:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I'm not really a wiki editor, so please bear with me if I'm drawing the wrong conclusions here. I came across this deletion discussion by accident after I noticed that the link to Chassalla is not active in the article about the label Eisenberg https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenberg_(music label) because the Chassalla article was deleted from Wikipedia. I'm from the same region as this band and I'm involved in the local gothic scene, so I know a lot about them.

First of all, you have to understand that Mark Hessburg was mainly musically active until the mid-90s and, as you quickly find out if you do a little googling, he later concentrated on film sound and game development after moving to Berlin.

There are inevitably no online articles from the period in which he was active as a musician, not even their record company SPV had an online presence at that time, as you can find out via the Internet Archive. As far as I know, there were only tours in the time before the last album. So there was no reason why there should have been any media articles about it in the 21st century.

As has already been mentioned here, Wikipedia was a completely different place at the time the article was posted than it is today. This also explains the lack of sources in the article.

He is also listed in the German National Library under the name Chassalla with a reference to the real name Mark Hessburg: https://d-nb.info/gnd/134828038

So I would suggest that the article on Mark Hessburg should be merged with the content of the deleted article on Chassalla. According to the guideline “Members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability.” - In this case, perhaps only the other way around, as Mark Hessburg's creative field of activity obviously extends far beyond just music. However, musical creation alone is sufficient according to several points mentioned in the notability criteria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles

I cannot judge this for his other fields of activity, but there is also a lot to be found online.

But now to sources regarding notability:

Point 1 definitely applies:

Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself

HNA - Hessisch Niedersächsische Allgemeine 29. October 1996 Page 10 – Review of the Album "Phoenix out of the ashes" https://www.meinehna.de/abo/content/archiv (paid)

Online you can also find this review as PDF, from the magazine EB/METRONOM No. 42 - March/April 1993 page 57: http://subkultur-ost.de/EB-Metronom%2042-93%20(Koeln)%20Fanzine%20%60931.pdf

I also remember that there were several reviews in magazines, among others in the most important medium of the scene “Zillo”, but I only have one review in the probably second most important magazine “Orkus Musik Magazin” September 1996 page 44 with the review of the album “Phoenix out of the ashes”.

Considering that the last album came out 28 years ago and the genre is a subculture that is nowhere near as popular and important today as it was in the early 1990s, I find it amazing that you can still find something internationally, even if only on some webzines or online marketplaces where the used CDs are sold, but it clearly shows that the project had definitely achieved a relevant, international level of awareness at the time. e.g. here:

https://www.darkside.ru/album/12605/

https://www.hmv.co.jp/artist_Chassalla_000000000366218/item_Phoenix-Out-Of-The-Ashes_2557117

https://www.stereoid.cz/chassalla-phoenix-out-of-the-ashes-cd/

https://winyle.com.pl/kasety/5020082-chassalla-phoenix-out-of-the-ashes.html

You also find used CDs of him worldwide on eBay.

Point 5 also seems to apply:

Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).

The debut album is available in the German National Library. The entry shows that the CD was released on the Apollyon Rekordings label, a sub-label of Apollyon (90 records released) and was distributed via EFA Medien (A huge company with more than 10,000 records released)

From this link https://d-nb.info/353035785 and the archived Chassalla website from 1999 (under “History”) https://web.archive.org/web/19991007024618/http://www.hessburg.de/chassalla/index.html it is also clear that the project is not a band in the classic sense, but rather a solo project in which different musicians have probably worked together time and again, as on the second album.

https://www.discogs.com/de/label/43832-Apollyon-Rekordings?page=1

https://www.discogs.com/de/label/25914-Apollyon?page=1

https://www.discogs.com/de/label/2444-EFA?page=1

Mark Hessburg's second album was released by Oblivion, a sub-label (250 titles released) of SPV GmbH (one of the largest independent record labels in the world, with more than 13,000 albums released). It was released by Eisenberg / Warner-Chappell Music and produced by Eisenberg's owner Carlos Perón, a founding member of the famous band Yello. https://subculturerecords.bandcamp.com/album/phoenix-out-of-the-ashes-remastered

https://www.discogs.com/de/label/96109-SPV-GmbH?page=1

In addition, material by Mark Hessburg has been released on various compilations by well-known labels such as ZYX or the compilation label “Double Power” by Sony Music, together with world-famous artists such as Vangelis, Jean-Michel Jarre, Alan Parsons, Klaus Schulze, Ofra Haza.

https://www.discogs.com/de/artist/142930-Chassalla?superFilter=Appearances

https://www.allmusic.com/album/mystic-spirits-vol-8-mw0000550889

https://www.allmusic.com/album/best-of-beyond-the-skies-mw0000403718

Point 6 also seems to apply:

Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles.

He also wrote a popular track for the 1994 album Intimacy by the Canadian wave/synthy pop band Psyche and performed with them at several concerts. The band was extremely successful in the scene, especially in the late 80s and early 90s, and as Anne Clark's support band they also became a name to audiences outside the scene.

http://www.psyche-hq.de/history.html

https://www.allmusic.com/album/legacy-mw0000403961

Johannes Häusler, who was involved in the Chassalla project, was also a member of Psyche. Another musician, Christian Rossbach, was later a member of Madre del Vizio. A well-known italo gothic rock band https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madre_del_Vizio

Point 7 possibly applies:

Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

In the early 90s, Chassalla was one of the few music projects from this scene in the greater Kassel area and was mentioned several times in the local media such as HNA and Infotip. Of course, this only exists on paper in old publications and not online.

As for the rest of his career:

Almost all the sound design projects listed here are well-known in Germany and from the major TV channels. https://www.crew-united.com/de/Mark-Hessburg_285998.html on IMDB you can also find international titles such as Paris Hilton's Simple Life or Om Shanti Om with Shah Rukh Khan.

So the claim to work as a sound designer is also proven.

If you make the effort, you will also find out that he ran the Green-Hill Studio in Kassel https://green-hill.de with the later producer of the famous German rapper Prinz Pi. You have to combine these three sources

https://www.hna.de/kultur/hiphop-gemacht-2962664.html

https://www.discogs.com/de/release/164059-RAS-Rhythmic-Altered-State

https://www.allmusic.com/album/rhythmic-altered-state-mw0000221647#credits

You can also find the connection to the Algerian world musician Hamid Baroudi from Dissidenten via this link. https://www.allmusic.com/artist/mark-hessburg-mn0002004719#credits

A list of references on its website also includes several successful mobile game titles, such as Atlantic Fleet and Sky Gamblers https://www.hessburg.com/references.html

Press mentions as a game developer, which you can find quite quickly

BZ (Axel Springer Verlag) https://www.bz-berlin.de/archiv-artikel/news-50

https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/2011/02/14/preview-wolves-of-the-atlantic-for-iphone-submarine-sim/

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/the-flare-path-topical-titbits#more-355119

https://deutscher-marinebund.de/service/u-995-kompass-app/

https://web.archive.org/web/20140609061555/https://www.pockettactics.com/news/ios-news/long-way-tipperary-wolves-atlantic-ambitious-u-boat-sim-youve-ever-seen/

https://www.148apps.com/news/wota-uboat-compass-wets-appetite-wota-wolves-atlantic/

https://de.paperblog.com/wota-wolves-of-the-atlantic-weltkriegs-u-boot-simulation-fur-ios-und-desktop-pc-fakten-und-features-ins-deutsche-ubersetzt-860990/

Incidentally, the rough content of the deleted Chassalla article can still be found online in a similar version, which would be a good start for expanding the article.: https://www.last.fm/music/Chassalla/+wiki 2003:C4:C70B:274E:19BA:543C:1764:8CF6 (talk) 00:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@2003:C4:C70B:274E:19BA:543C:1764:8CF6 Thank you for your participation in this discussion. For the record, I'll stand by my previous opinion. X (talk) 07:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Denis Blackham[edit]

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Previously survived AfD when criteria was less strict for his 'client list', however notability is not inherited and I don't see much individual notability for this mastering engineer. Additionally the article has been edited multiple times by the subject which is a conflict of interest. InDimensional (talk) 20:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Violin Sonata in B minor[edit]

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This disambiguation page is redundant of Sonata in B minor, which was originally at this title before a page move. The redirect was then reverted. The two sonatas listed here are already covered at Sonata in B minor (a broader disambiguation page). Additionally, one of the sonatas listed here (Sonata in B minor (Atterberg)) is only a partial-title match because it is generically for strings, not solely for violin. I propose restoring the redirect. I am also nominating the following page for redirecting as well since it is also redundant:

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RouteNote[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP. Out of the 9 sources in the article only 4 could have the potential to count towards NCORP, and out of the 4, I am not entirely satisfied with their independence. ([5][6][7][8]). This article appeared for me while doing WP:NPP and I wasn't comfortable accepting it and with the last AfD being no consensus, I thought I'd opt for the AfD route. GMH Melbourne (talk) 07:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Blind Woman (song)[edit]

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Does not establish notability. The references in the article appear to be either primary sources or cannot be considered reliable due to the lack of editorial oversight within their staff. A quick check before the nomination showed no better sources that could be included, nor any other indicators of notability like a chart appearance. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 04:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Zarah: Found no coverage myself. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mako Hit List[edit]

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability. Zero sources except for their own website. The only content is from their own website. I looked and could not find any independent coverage, much less GNG coverage. North8000 (talk) 20:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC) North8000 (talk) 20:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete It's quite clear that there is no evidence of any sort of notability. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 23:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nuyorican rap[edit]

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I couldn't find sources to show it meets WP:N. Unreferenced so I am not proposing a merge, though a redirect is a possible WP:ATD. Boleyn (talk) 18:55, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The article on Nuyorican rap should be considered carefully before nomination for deletion, as it addresses a unique and influential subset of hip hop culture. However, the decision should also weigh the availability of verifiable sources and the overall notability of the subject as per Wikipedia’s guidelines. --Improvised but so real unicorn (talk) 10:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep added sources to meet WP:N. Ruth Bader Yinzburg (talk) 14:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Didn’t want to substantially rewrite what is here, since that’s a big change, but the added sources and the general coverage of the issue indicate that “Nuyorican rap” is interchangeable with “Nuyorican hip-hop.” This might be worth noticing in the body of the article, and is definitely worth keeping in mind when looking for other sources to continue improving this article. “Nuyorican rap” didn’t return as many solid sources as “Nuyorican hip-hop,” possibly due to the fact that the apex of the genre was the late 90’s, early ‘00’s, when hip-hop was a more commonly used term. Ruth Bader Yinzburg (talk)

Hashtag Pop[edit]

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Does not meet WP:GNG. Has had a {{notability}} tag for eight months with no improvements. References are either company listings, articles hosted by Hashtag Pop itself, or other news sources re-reporting their stories. A WP:BEFORE search in Portuguese doesn't yield any reliable sources with significant coverage. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 16:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fayse Goh[edit]

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the article appears to be very promotional. I also searched up the name, and it appears to plagarize his youtube channel's description. Gaismagorm (talk) 20:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Info - Note to closer for soft deletion: This nomination has had limited participation and falls within the standards set for lack of quorum. There are no previous AfD discussions, undeletions, or current redirects and no previous PRODs have been located. This nomination may be eligible for soft deletion at the end of its 7-day listing.

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CD Country[edit]

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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 19:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Daniel Rosenfeldt[edit]

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Hi; this is my first time both using Twinkle and participating in the AfD process, so try not to flame me too hard if I make a mistake here. This article has somewhat poor sourcing and I've done a check for his name to try and find anything on him but I've come up short. If anyone can find better sources for this, that would be great, but I'm unable to on my end. Neo Purgatorio (talk) 00:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: nothing in the article suggests notability per WP:MUSICBIO and I'm unable to find any significant coverage online. InDimensional (talk) 11:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: High ranking in a major TV contest gives notability but I'd suggest that coverage in English will be hard to find Sansbarry (talk) 01:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep - I found a couple of profile articles about him: in the Danish magazine Familie Journalen [9]; and on TV2 (Denmark) [10]. I don't think being a "semifinalist" on the TV Talent show is particularly impressive -- there are 35 semifinalists each year. But the two articles may be enough to pass WP:GNG. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 21:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These seem fine; it's probably the language barrier that makes finding sources harder. If someone's willing to add them in somehow (I can't at this exact moment) then I'd probably be willing to keep the article. Neo Purgatorio (talk) 15:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ebrahim Etemadi[edit]

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Ebrahim Etemadi likely doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Additionally, the mentioned sources might not be reliable enough. Waqar💬 19:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Three of the citations presented (2 Farsi and 1 Enlglish) seem to be OK. The Persian version of this has 17 citations and I saw some Ok ones there, such as 1, 2. We can't just assume because something is in a foreign language, it is unreliable. He seems to be well known in his country.Yolandagonzales (talk) 09:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article do not meet WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth, BEFORE found nothing that meets WP:SIRS. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 18:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Station (Florida)[edit]

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Cannot locate any in-depth, significant coverage to demonstrate that this nightclub passes WP:GNG. Some passing mentions, but that's all I can locate. -- Mike 🗩 19:03, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP it's a good article. Evangp (talk) 17:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Evangp (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. Richard3120 (talk) 21:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC) Note to closing admin Richard3120 is a person that wants to delete this article. Evangp (talk) 00:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any policy-based arguments for keeping? 'It's a good article' is a textbook example of an argument to avoid in deletion discussions (WP:LIKE). -- Mike 🗩 17:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no, that is plenty sufficient as a basis to keep this article. Evangp (talk) 00:46, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP it's a good article. Evangp (talk) 00:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC) Duplicate vote stricken. -- Mike 🗩 20:09, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: fails WP:GNG, WP:ORGCRIT and WP:ORGDEPTH. The only thing that can be verfied is that this was a venue in Fern Park, Florida – everything else is original research by the article creator. Setlist.fm fails WP:USERG and is not a reliable source, and for some reason a picture of a T-shirt with the venue's logo is considered evidence of notability. That leaves two very brief passing mentions in the local newspaper, which tell you nothing about the venue. Richard3120 (talk) 21:10, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aquarius Musikindo[edit]

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Nothing notable, nor relevant per GNG. No SIGCOV. The author is blocked for evading the block Gavrover (talk) 20:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment if we can verify the article's claim that it is the second largest record label in Indonesia, it's definitely worthy of inclusion. Chubbles (talk) 14:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's definitely the second-biggest.[11][12][13][14] WC gudang inspirasi (talk) 04:09, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. One source on one page of a book is the definition of failing WP:SIGCOV. Bearian (talk) 01:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mehr Hassan[edit]

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Fails WP:Notability Wikibear47 (talk) 17:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Has been in multiple films that seem to have wikipedia articles of their own. As per: WP:ARTIST, criteria 3, that should probably be enough.

also, seems like this is the 3rd nomination. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 17:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The newspapers used now in the article for sourcing are all there is for this person; I don't see notability beyond the local level. I can't find any mention of them otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 19:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The fact she has been seen on multiple movies which has a wikipedia page doesn't qualify her to have a wikipedia page. This is just like the case of Lucy Grantham (2nd nomination). The subject Mehr Hassan fails WP:GNG. Her first AFD which was keep was just a two vote of keep which was still saying because she appeared in a movie. No independent reliable source, No award won or being nominated as an actress or dancer. I really don't see anything notable. --Meligirl5 (talk) 17:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with significant roles in multiple notable films. The Louisville Courier article too makes a case for notability. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does having just one reliable source qualifies a person of having a Wikipedia page?

Hassan started her dancing career as a stage performer in the United States.

How do we believe such statement with no reliable source.?--Meligirl5 (talk) 00:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets WP:NACTOR, which is clearly the applicable guideline. rspεεr (talk) 14:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep. WP:NACTOR appears to hold here for now, although perhaps the articles for the films she starred should be reviewed for their notability. The bottom line is that long as those films are notable, she is, if barely. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 16:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Meets WP:NACTOR at this point for the roles in notable films she starred in. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The subject's claim of appearing in numerous films lacks verifiable evidence, thus failing to meet WP:ARTISTS. The available coverage appears to be routine per WP:ROTM and lacks the depth required by WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 15:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Courier-Journal article wasn't routine, and by what sources we have, Hassan was in these films, noting that the sourcing of the related film articles was light (thus my 'Weak Keep'). I suspect however that her appearance in some of them was exaggerated to make it appear she was a lead when she wasn't. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 16:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as no evidence of any notability, The Courier-Journal is great however unfortunately it's no where near enough to establish notability, Not sure if her roles have been major or minor but either way I cannot find any evidence of any notability, Fails NACTOR and GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 15:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NACTOR says "The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films" and we know she was in several notable films (i.e., films with articles). If you're saying the subject fails NACTOR, are you saying these linked films should be reviewed in AfD? Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 16:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But NACTOR states The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films which I can't see reflected here. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The "Partial filmography" in the article links to five notable films (currently adjudged by Wikipedia) and I suppose it's our opinion as to whether her roles were significant in them. It's part of why I say "Weak Keep" as I don't want to overjudge. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 17:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's hard to say whether she fails NACTOR #1 but personally I would say she does and despite the The Courier-Journal link imho she still fails #2 too, FWIW all of her roles could've been one-bit/minor roles so article linkage doesn't mean anything here, (and leading on to your last point nicely) There's just not enough info to determine whether she meets NACTOR #1 or not but either way I would obviously say she still fails #2, Thanks. –Davey2010^Talk 17:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In NACTOR, it says #1 or #2. The subject doesn't have to meet both criteria to pass it. I accept that we would need to judge whether the roles are significant but as it was difficult, source-wise, to drill down on these films, I don't want to rush to judgment, thus my "Weak Keep". I still say the key here is to look at the film articles and see if they should be kept. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 17:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've checked the articles and their sources as well as looked online - The Gold Bracelet is just about notable with the rest not being notable so imho one notable film and one notable paper cite is still not enough irrespective of what role she played, I guess the article can be redirected to The Gold Bracelet if really desired,

You're more than welcome to search for these films for yourself and judge for yourself, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 17:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for welcoming me to do something I've already done. :) So, if only one film is notable, why do the others have articles? (can be taken as a rhetorical question) Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 17:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. If you've searched these articles before now then why the fuck are you here questioning their notability ?. Go nominate them if you think they're not notable.

Because get this Stefen - some articles go undetected and unnoticed, ever thought about that ?, I suspect not :). –Davey2010^Talk 18:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also for future reference go read WP:BLUDGEON. You've !voted keep so as such you don't need to reply to every single delete !vote regurgitating the same line again and again. –Davey2010^Talk 18:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a discussion, and it is eminently reasonable to challenge a position. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 18:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the need for you to be cross with me here. I have been professional and I expect the same in return. The fact that the articles exist show that they are currently presented as notable subjects, whether they deserve this determination or not. I may well prod the articles in question, but for the time-being, they cannot be dismissed. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 18:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Unreferenced article. I couldn't find any significant coverage on the web; it's tough to search for them as their name is shared with a few other groups, but by including band members I found only a very brief Q&A on sfgate.com and an album review on aural-innovations.com, neither of these seem like WP:SIGCOV and nothing in the article suggests notability per WP:BAND InDimensional (talk) 22:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Music, and United States of America. InDimensional (talk) 22:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep as they do have a staff written AllMusic bio here which states that they had a nationwide tour which is one of the criteria at WP:NMUSIC. Haven't done a full search yet, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - There's just not enough to pass WP:GNG. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 00:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Final relist but it's looking like No consensus right now.
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[2] "RIO's not so Unpredictable future". 2010-08-03. Retrieved 2024-05-08.

[3] "Dappy debuts new single 'Come With Me'". Digital Spy. 2012-06-27. Retrieved 2024-05-08.

[4] Flores, Griselda (2022-10-24). "Here Are the World Cup Songs & Anthems Through the Years". Billboard. Retrieved 2024-05-05.

[5] Singh •, Sanjesh (2022-10-12). "What Are the Best FIFA World Cup Anthems of All Time?". NBC New York. Retrieved 2024-05-05.

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