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Crime[edit]

2024 Mannheim stabbing[edit]

2024 Mannheim stabbing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:NOTNEWS. Nothing to indicate that this will generate significant lasting coverage.TheLongTone (talk) 14:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC) TheLongTone (talk) 14:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Events, and Germany. Skynxnex (talk) 14:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep
    1. The event has a lot of news coverage
    2. There is a clear perpetrator who was caught on camera
    3. There are multiple victims
    4. The police have released a report on the incident in its immediate aftermath Salfanto (talk) 15:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You do know that this is only the first day of the event right? Salfanto (talk) 15:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is all the more reason why we should not have an article on it. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The attack has received widespread global attention and clear impact on the highest political levels in Germany for a politically motivated attack on notable Islam-critic Michael Stürzenberger. Clear indications that this will have significant lasting impact/coverage. See also Stabbing of Salman Rushdie and 2024 Wakeley church stabbing (bishop Mari Emmanuel) for similar recent attacks. Thismess (talk) 16:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Widespread coverage. Obvious keep. Thriley (talk) 17:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This nominator have a history of deletion nomination which fail to pass, its obvious that this guy have no idea about the deletion criteria Afif Brika1 (talk) 18:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Why are you attacking the editor and not the nomination itself? I looked through his past nominations and they were all fine and consensus agreed with him/is agreeing with him. His AfD stats show 75%+ which is a fine number for AfD.
    As to the article itself, even though it may achieve notability in the future it has yet to. WP:TOOSOON applies here and we should not be creating these articles the minute these events occur. Thus I support the nomination in Delete (Or turning into a draft) until it is actually possible for notability to be ascertained. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Not only agreeing with the editor above, but considering the past week of news regarding the surge of right-wing nationalism in Germany, this attack will surely stir something in the coming days/weeks.
Volkish Kurden (talk) 19:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Masters of True Crime[edit]

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No actual reviews, has been tagged for notability since 2016 (it was accidentally placed on the talk page until yesterday, which I fixed). The one "review" contains no analytical content and is a straightforward non interpretive summary of the book (and is also an unarchived dead link). There's another similar summary in Reference & Research Book News. Oct2012, Vol. 27 Issue 5, p106-109, which says basically nothing about the book other than what it is about and that it is exists. Other than that, nothing. There's the Portland review in external links but that website has a note about "sponsored" reviews that makes me unsure of its independence. I don't think either of these sources is enough to build an article on. Redirect to author R. Barri Flowers? PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There's also a Midwest Book Review review but that publication has, since 2011, also accepted paid reviews, so that's not useful here. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Freddrick Jackson[edit]

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WP:PERP, WP:NOTNEWS - I can't see that there's likely to be unusual or lasting coverage regarding this murderer. BrigadierG (talk) 00:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime and Arkansas. WCQuidditch 00:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: NOTNEWS, killing four people isn't terribly notable in the US. Some coverage, but it's simply retelling the facts of a crime. Oaktree b (talk) 01:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He is notable due to his young age at the time of his crimes not the victim count as he has to be the youngest serial killer in Arkansas history. Startrain844 (talk) 18:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: And NONE of the sources use the term "serial killer", nor can I find mention of this anywhere. I wonder if this is OR or some wishful thinking... Oaktree b (talk) 01:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He is a serial killer because he committed the murders of three or more people, with the killings taking place over a significant period of time between them.[1][2]Startrain844 (talk) 19:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's original research; you can't create an article using that term when no one else has called him that. This effectively shames and degrades the individual, which is not the purpose of wikipedia. Oaktree b (talk) 23:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Plenty of serial killers on Wikipedia had no lasting coverage on news. Startrain844 (talk) 19:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to nominate any other articles that don't meet guidelines here. Again, they are serial killers as the media addresses them as such; this individual hasn't been called that in media. He's just another criminal, CRIME notability applies here. Oaktree b (talk) 03:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Viktor Bolkhovsky[edit]

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should be considered for deletion due to insufficient notability or significance of the subject, as evidenced by a lack of substantial verifiable information and reliable sources to support their notability Welcome to Pandora (talk) 11:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. The sources on this are good. For a Russian crime topic, probably above average. As far as I can see, everything is cited. What? PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Killing of Jonathan Lewis[edit]

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Coverage is not sustained and significant enough to justify this article about the manslaughter of a teen. Zanahary (talk) 07:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: I'm counting 10 reliable sources with WP:SIGCOV covering this event. I think some concerns regarding WP:NCRIME, WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE, and WP:NTEMP are warranted, but the young age and the alleged exceptional viciousness of the alleged perpetrators do make the event more than a run-of-the-mill killing. Ultimately, since there's WP:NODEADLINE, I think that at this juncture it makes sense to keep and circle back if it turns out that the notability was temporary.
Melmann 07:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime and Nevada. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 07:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: No coverage past the event in November, no lasting notability. Sad event, appears to be only a news item at this point. NOTNEWS. Oaktree b (talk) 12:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - Unusual amount of international coverage on this one - being picked up by the BBC. My answer comes down to WP:PERP's description of coverage of notable victims and the focus of coverage being on the event or the individual. I feel on balance, the event is covered as news much more than the victim's role is covered as a subject of personal interest. BrigadierG (talk) 12:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: As the incident has received nationwide coverage, I've found at least 15 reliable sources for the article. I'm in agreement with @Melmann, considering the young age of the victim and brutality of this crime this is beyond ordinary even for a murder. There's not so much coverage after November, but this will probably change in the future as the suspects are brought to justice and when they find the remaining perpetrator.
Cheera L (talk) 19:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, sadly. Murders and killing type articles go by WP:NEVENT, which this fails. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How so? This case in particular has received significant coverage in a wide variety of news outlets and the media. It's a story having been reported and impacted all over the world, not just in the U.S. Cheera L (talk) 02:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The non-routine coverage was for about a week. With events, WP:SUSTAINED coverage is a consideration, which this fails. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - User Melmanns rationale is the most convincing. The sourcing is within WP:SIGCOV at this time and several aspects of this this case already mentioned above makes this killing notable. I do believe WP:GNG applies as well. BabbaQ (talk) 04:45, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Shaylee Mejia[edit]

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No evidence of sustained in-depth coverage; all local coverage from March; lead includes a weaseled potential BLP violation that this girl's death has been "widely attributed" to a fight she had at school. Zanahary (talk) 07:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Crime, and California. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 07:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Seems a clear WP:BLP1E situation. Reliable sources only cover her in the context of a single event, she is a low-profile individual, and the event itself is not significant (although it is of course very sad). WP:NOTNEWS also relevant, I think. Chocmilk03 (talk) 08:07, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't really get your argument here. If it's an event based article it can't really be a BLP1E issue? But this definitely doesn't pass NEVENT either and should be deleted on those grounds. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:29, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I guess it's not technically a bio but about the event of her murder? The line is maybe a little blurry in the case of an article that is solely about the death of a single person. But agree, WP:NEVENT doesn't seem to be met either. There's no deadline, but there's also no evidence of continued coverage since the event or that this event will have any sustained significance. Chocmilk03 (talk) 06:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: I can only find a half-dozen articles in Gnews about the event happening from the time it did, then nothing. Another non-notable death with no lasting consequences, NOTNEWS. Oaktree b (talk) 12:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The incident which could be a potential murder/manslaughter case is already gaining significant coverage in the entire country, not just from local news. There will likely be bigger matters and legal proceedings concerning the death, which if you thoroughly investigate the details you will find some connection between the bullying and violence that the victim endured.
Cheera L (talk) 19:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we aren't a CRYSTALBALL. Oaktree b (talk) 04:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's the article's author btw Zanahary (talk) 23:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of formerly unidentified decedents[edit]

List of formerly unidentified decedents (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fork of Unidentified decedent. Only page content, aside from list entries, is copied from Unidentified decedent. Would be better implemented as a category rather than WP:LISTCRUFT. jellyfish  18:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, from previous nominations - it still fails WP:NLIST, per 4meter4's reasoning here. jellyfish  18:25, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per first AFD rationale. Also WP:SALT to prevent recreation. Fails WP:NLIST and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. This list is an original grouping that is never discussed collectively as a list in any sources; compiled through an original synthesis. This is essentially WP:LISTCRUFT. According to NAMUS's own statistics, law enforcement in the United States successfully identified 7,188 unidentified bodies in 2023 alone. That's just one nation. Being a formerly unidentified body is not unusual or encyclopedic.4meter4 (talk) 22:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete per above. I too can see having a category but as group they have little to do with one another. Mangoe (talk) 23:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly oppose any such list at the Unidentified decedents article. The very reasons for deletion are the same reasons why an in-article list are inappropriate. You could try a category but I suspect that too would end up at WP:CFD as a non-encyclopedic cross categorization.4meter4 (talk) 16:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, you're right - category deleted at CfD. Jellyfish (mobile) (talk) 18:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Sadustu Tau (talk) 15:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Carlton Crew[edit]

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WP:V - Verifiability: This article contains almost no sourcing. Information present is unreliable and a lot of it seems to have been added in contravention of WP:NOR. Has been this way for 14 odd years judging by the article.

WP:ORG - Notability: The article does not meet the Notability guidelines for criminal organisations due to insufficient coverage in independent, secondary sources.

Overall almost none of the information in this article is verifiable, and that is which is verifiable is not notable enough to warrant an article. I considered removing the unverified content, but that which would remain does not seem substantive enough. Rakki9999111 (talk) 07:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above. There seem to be plenty of sources on this group. That they aren't in the page is unrelated to notability. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2007 attack on Emmanuel Mwambulukutu[edit]

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Lack of WP:LASTING - unfortunately a lot of violent crime happens in South Africa, not every attack is noteworthy. BrigadierG (talk) 23:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment an attack on an ambassador is more notable than a random attack, but unless there was some lasting impact, I'd probably agree with Nom. 08:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete the diplomat may well be notable to have his own article, but not this event in particular I would say. Uhooep (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Emmanuel Mwambulukutu used to be an article on the diplomat before it was redirected to this newly-created page on the 2007 attack. It wasn't in great shape, but with most of the sources dead, I can't say much definitively on his personal notability other than it's probably borderline. The attack probably isn't notable enough on its own, but I didn't do any real research into it, so I'm not placing an actual !vote. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 16:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 02:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment if Mwambulukutu was a Member of Parliament from 1985-2000 then why was the article binned in the first place. That would make him notable. Even if the article was a mess it could still be improved. Uhooep (talk) 06:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have restored his bio. He is clearly a notable politician having been an MP in the Tanzanian Parliament. Perhaps any non-duplicated prose from this afd can be transcribed there where appropriate. Uhooep (talk) 14:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Crime Proposed deletions[edit]

Deletion Review[edit]

  1. ^ "Serial murder". Britannica. Retrieved 2024-04-22.
  2. ^ an offender can be anyone.
    • Holmes & Holmes 1998, Serial murder is the killing of three or more people over a period of more than 30 days, with a significant cooling-off period between the murders The baseline number of three victims appears to be most common among those who are the academic authorities in the field. The time frame also appears to be an agreed-upon component of the definition.
    • Petherick 2005, p. 190 Three killings seem to be required in the most popular definition of serial killing since they are enough to provide a pattern within the killings without being overly restrictive.
    • Flowers 2012, p. 195 in general, most experts on serial murder require that a minimum of three murders be committed at different times and usually different places for a person to qualify as a serial killer.
    • Schechter 2012, p. 73 Most experts seem to agree, however, that to qualify as a serial killer, an individual has to slay a minimum of three unrelated victims.