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The result was lies. DS (talk) 04:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC) I can find no reference to "fannibyte" or the "fanni" prefix anywhere in the SI documentation. Creation and edit history indicate that this is a hoax, if not actual vandalism. Bagheera (talk) 23:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete It seems to basically be a copypaste of the Yottabyte article with only a few alterations. VivioFateFan (Talk, Sandbox) 03:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 05:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Exinda Networks[edit]
- Exinda Networks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Article fails WP:NOTABILITY. Was speedied under WP:CSD#G11. Has a few links but they seem to be merely Press Releases or trivial coverage or mentions. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability. The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. which is clearly noted in the notability guidelines. Advert. Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopaedia article. Hu12 (talk) 23:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep sorry, gotta disagree with you. I stumbled across this AFD (never heard of the company before) and read just a couple of the references, and the articles are absolutely about them, what they are doing, and how what they are doing isn't trivial. The articles are not mentioning them incidently, they are featured subjects. One of the articles claims that they are "Exinda Networks, the only provider of Unified Performance Management (UPM) solutions worldwide..." etc. Passes wp:notability, can be wp:v with wp:rs. They aren't Cisco, but they seem to pass the threshold nicely. The article needs cleaning up and despamming a bit, but that is a reason to improve, not delete. Pharmboy (talk) 01:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. The forbs reference "Business Wire - Press Release" [1]. or the "separate release", [2] or every eweek.com paid promotion are by Paula Musich [3] (note Email Address) who writes for Ziff Davis Publishing Enterprise, Inc., a "Innovative Media and Integrated Marketing Programs "...In which "Ziff Davis Enterprise creates innovative media that targets technology markets with online, events, custom content, eNewsletters, print, Virtual Tradeshows and eSeminars. Through integrated marketing programs, we leverage our qualified 4 million IT database to help you reach new customers and extend relationships with existing clients."--Hu12 (talk) 08:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This comment by Hu12 is misleading. Ziff Davis is a magazine publisher that owns publications such as [eWeek] and PC Magazine. Like many online or offline publications, eWeek generates revenue through advertising. The quote above is taken from Ziff Davis' page about its marketing programs. I don't see what this has to do with eWeek's articles about Exinda. The fact that a publication generates revenue through advertising does not disqualify it as an a secondary, independent source. Furthermore, I don't see any evidence that eWeek's articles on Exinda were paid advertisements by the company. Vpdjuric (talk) 17:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Learn more about our products, services and customized marketing programs..."[4] →"To have a Ziff Davis Enterprise Sales Director contact you to discuss integrated marketing opportunities..."[5] . Doesn't sound like they are selling magazine subscriptions..--Hu12 (talk) 19:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The fact that Ziff Davis/eWeek offer "integrated marketing opportunities" is not evidence that the eWeek Exinda articles were were paid advertisements. Assuming so is presumptuous. Even if you are correct (and I'm not sure how that could be ascertained), Exinda has been covered in-depth by multiple, reliable, secondary independent sources, which makes this argument moot. While I appreciate the vigor with which you fight spam, you use specious reasoning and selective evidence to corroborate your claims, while completely failing to consider evidence that contradicts them. Vpdjuric (talk) 19:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Byte & Switch acknowledges it is a company press release.
- Article 2 in Network World is an interview with the CEO. It does not meet Wikipedia's reliable source guidelines for the statement for which it is used.
- Article 1 in eWeek starts "The company claims its Service Delivery Point SAAS will simplify and reduce the cost of installing, configuring, monitoring and reporting on the performance of its WAN optimization appliances." and then goes into what it will do at some point, with long quotes from the company's CEO.
- Article 2 in eWeek starts "Exinda marries WAN optimization with traffic control on enterprise networks.Australian WAN optimization provider Exinda Networks on Nov. 20 hopes to gain a foothold in the North American market with a unique ability in its appliances to classify recreational traffic such as Skype and BitTorrent on enterprise networks." Just over half the article is a single quote from the CEO. The article only gave competitors one line to reply, and had a clearly dismissive tone in that section.
- Forbes acknowledges it is a company press release.
- That leaves Article 1 in Network World, which is a weak basis at best. Basically we're looking at a business which has done its marketing very well, but has little substance on the ground, and the offerings it's saying it may offer or undertake - where's the evidence of them? Why are all these articles two years old? If this is such a major new standard, why can't I find a single entry in an Australian newspaper on Factiva about it that has Exinda as a primary subject (given they are an Australian company and Factiva covers most newspapers back to the late 1990s)? I find some waffly thing in the Age's Business section which talks about venture capital in Australia vs the US and quotes him amongst many others, but not much else. I'm not seeing any contradictory evidence. Orderinchaos 00:58, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You are correct - this is a press release.
- Can you clarify why this does not meet Wikipedia's reliable source guidelines?
- Do these quotes disqualify the article as a source to cite?
- Is the fact that the article has long quotes from the CEO and, according to you, uses a dismissive tone about the competition grounds for dismissing it as a source that can be used to establish Exinda's notability?
- Yes, this is a press release.
- The (non-press release) articles that you refer to are not "all two years old." Three out of the four were written in 2007, and the other in 2006. Also, the fact that you can't find entries on Factiva about Exinda demonstrates nothing about Exinda's notability or lack thereof. Selectively choosing corroborating evidence to fit your thesis of Exinda's lack of notability is naive empiricism. To clarify this point: while finding multiple, reliable, independent secondary sources covering Exinda in Factiva would establish Exinda's notability, not finding such sources in Factiva does not establish Exinda's lack of notability. And if the one source that you deem acceptable is only "a week basis at best," perhaps you should also consider these more recent articles, which I found through a couple of web searches:
- Honda NZ Re-Optimizes WAN (Byte and Switch article written in 2007)
- Engineers tackle big waits for big files (InfoWorld article written in November, 2007)
- Comment This comment by Hu12 is misleading. Ziff Davis is a magazine publisher that owns publications such as [eWeek] and PC Magazine. Like many online or offline publications, eWeek generates revenue through advertising. The quote above is taken from Ziff Davis' page about its marketing programs. I don't see what this has to do with eWeek's articles about Exinda. The fact that a publication generates revenue through advertising does not disqualify it as an a secondary, independent source. Furthermore, I don't see any evidence that eWeek's articles on Exinda were paid advertisements by the company. Vpdjuric (talk) 17:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete No evidence of notability. This seems to be a successful, but non-notable company. --Nick Dowling (talk) 11:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: WikiProject Companies has been informed of this ongoing discussion. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 13:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I'd agree with the characterisation of a moderately successful but ultimately non-notable firm. The sources provided are nearly all advertorial in nature, even the Forbes one. Note the first link from Byte & Switch explicitly notes it is a press release from the firm itself. Orderinchaos 15:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Per Above. like the article, unfortunately. Twenty Years 15:50, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I re-created this article a month or so ago after it had been deleted because the original article had been deleted because it was written like an advertisement. I made a focused effort to write the article from a neutral standpoint, and I strongly disagree that Exinda fails Wikipedia's notability criterion. WP:NOTABILITY asserts that "a topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Exinda has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources such as NetworkWorld (WAN appliance underdog Exinda pushes open standard, Making Headway into the U.S., and Exinda speeds up branch office appliance), Byte and Switch (Honda NZ Re-Optimizes WAN), Techworld (Exinda offers cheap WAN accelerator), and eWeek (Exinda Puts New Spin on Managing WAN Optimization and Appliance Lets Network Managers Control Recreational Traffic). The fact that two press releases are referenced in the article does not corroborate or give any evidence to the claim that Exinda is not notable, especially when you consider that there are full-length articles about Exinda in multiple, reliable, secondary independent sources that are also cited. Vpdjuric (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Techworld, first sentence: "Australian WAN acceleration developer Exinda Networks has claimed an industry first with the launch of an acceleration box priced at under €2,000 (£1,350)." i.e. Another press release. Orderinchaos 01:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete Having multiple 'articles' written about your companies products does not for notability make. The references included are essentially product marketing, and do not demonstrate actual notability of the company other then getting some technology journalists to truck out a few words on their wares. It's an unlisted company, it's not been involved in or joined to any significant events, and there's nothing offered so far which i've seen which sells the notability argument beyond WP:ILIKEIT. The article in all the forms offered thusfar is WP:VSCA and should be deleted as such. Thewinchester (talk) 00:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- commentThe first line in WP:Notability says: A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. which seems to fly in the face of your statement. Having multiple articles written is the defacto definition of notability, per the policy. Pharmboy (talk) 01:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Writing multiple press releases does, unfortunately, not make one's company notable for Wikipedia. Neither does digging up more and more press releases each time someone points this fact out. Rebecca (talk) 01:24, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per my nom and Orderinchaos's well presented break-down of the sources provided--Hu12 (talk) 07:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --Shirahadasha (talk) 04:53, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Untitled Chilli Album[edit]
- Untitled Chilli Album (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Another vague, original research/rumour-filled (some of it going back to 2005!) article about a supposed upcoming album. References cited are message board-sourced and no longer work anyway. Once again, we also have a huge unreferenced list of 'confirmed tracks' and supposed producers too (anyone else notice how Timbaland always seems to be listed on these things?). Delete (without prejudice for recreation if anything official is announced) per WP:V, WP:CRYSTAL. Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 23:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom, article is overloaded with original research and crystal-balling, not to mention the total lack of verifiability. (I wonder if Timbaland was supposed to have produced Jo Dee Messina's Unmistakable album?) Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:52, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for crystal ball + no wp:v, and because Hammer is a swell guy. I am confused about the "confirmed tracks" section of an unconfirmed and unverifiable album. Kinda like "military intellegence". Pharmboy (talk) 02:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 04:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete due to the evident WP:CRYSTAL issues. RFerreira (talk) 21:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep for now. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 05:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Digital phase converter[edit]
- Digital phase converter (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Non-notable product, proprietary to Phase Technologies, LLC, who is the only manufacturer of digital phase converters according to the author. I tried finding a reference but the author wrote that the only decent one I found was a sham site. See the talk page. Failed {{prod}} Toddst1 (talk) 23:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Nominated seven hours after article creation? Give editors time to actually read the tags you add before tossing this to AfD. Torc2 (talk) 00:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: The {{Notability}} tag has been removed twice by the article's author. Toddst1 (talk) 00:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Then hit the user with a vandalism tag. I just don't see that as cause to AfD the article so quickly. This should be brought to the attention of the science gurus so they can say whether it's marketing BS or not - I don't know if it is; vote is strictly procedural. Torc2 (talk) 00:21, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep This is a valid topic. The article might be redirected to Three-phase electric power#Phase_converters or Phase converters but that's a keep. Colonel Warden (talk) 15:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Author Soothsayer2. The information provided is factual and all proprietary references and company references have been removed. Forgive me for the tag removal as I am new at this. Rather than put additional information and references here, would it be better for me to use the discussion page? Technology is quite new and there are discussions and further explanations available. Thanks. Soothsayer2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soothsayer2 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If you have some good independent sources, these would be useful here. But most work should go into the article. You have 5 days before an admin might close the discussion and he ought to review the state of article at that time. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you Colonel. Here is the exact copy from the US Patent site
- If you have some good independent sources, these would be useful here. But most work should go into the article. You have 5 days before an admin might close the discussion and he ought to review the state of article at that time. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Author Soothsayer2. The information provided is factual and all proprietary references and company references have been removed. Forgive me for the tag removal as I am new at this. Rather than put additional information and references here, would it be better for me to use the discussion page? Technology is quite new and there are discussions and further explanations available. Thanks. Soothsayer2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soothsayer2 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
United States Patent 6,297,971 Meiners October 2, 2001 Phase converter Abstract A phase converter that converts single phase AC electric power to balanced three phase AC power. Two input terminal connected to the output of a single phase AC power source connect directly to two output terminals of the converter. The phase converter has two serially connected storage capacitors with a common connection, a charging circuit for controlled charging the storage capacitors and an output circuit for controlled discharge of the storage capacitors to provide single phase AC power to a third output terminal. The charging circuit controls input to the storage capacitor to provide a sinusoidal input current and to step up the voltage to the storage capacitors. The output circuit provides output power to the third output terminal of a predetermined phase and amplitude, relative to the other two output terminals, to result in balanced three phase AC power at the three output terminals. The phase converter provides balanced three phase output for leading power factor, lagging power factor, and resistive loads. Inventors: Meiners; Larry G. (Rapid City, SD) Assignee: Phase Technologies, LLC (Rapid City, SD)
Appl. No.: 09/638,230 Filed: August 14, 2000 Additionally, Dr. Meiners whitepage document has all significant information http://www.phaseperfect.com/files/phasewhitepaper.pdf Soothsayer2Soothsayer2 (talk) 18:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, but you have to understand that none of that establishes the notability of the technology, and the whitepaper appear to have been published in a peer reviewed journal. The links to forums you provided also are not sufficient to establish notability. The guideline for what's required to meet notability is at WP:N. Torc2 (talk) 19:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- *I would think the patent process lends itself toward a independent, reliable source.
"In accordance with the original definition of the term "patent," patents facilitate and encourage disclosure of innovations into the public domain for the common good."(Wikipedia) Soothsayer2 (talk) 21:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The need for 3-phase power conversion is evident in the development of rudimentary technology in this field 100 years ago, again 60 years ago and now modern improvements in recent years. 3-phase power is required across such diverse applications as Agriculture, Air Conditioning and Heating, Broadcast, Elevators, Environmental, Laundry, Medical, Metalworking, Pumping and Irrigation, Woodworking, etc… 3-phase utility power simply is not available in many locations it is needed and past solutions have been problematic. When your ability to make a living is dependent on the ability to operate equipment that has become more and more sophisticated and requires 3-phase power that is not available to you or perhaps the ability to live in an area that needs to pump water but cannot without a reliable converter to efficiently operate a submersible pump or even remote area broadcasting, medical applications, etc...then I guess you may care and be impacted. This particular development is significant for the changing and increasing power needs of the modern world. Thanks. Soothsayer2 (talk) 23:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Now all you have to do is find a reliable published source to cite that says that specifically about digital phase converters and add it to the article. Torc2 (talk) 00:10, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Three-phase electric power#Phase_converters or Phase converters. Merge any extra information from here to the target article. Fails WP:N, WP:RS and WP:V. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, as this is obviously a notable device. John254 00:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Because the conventional device used to convert single-phase power to three-phase power is a rotary phase converter, which, of course, has moving parts, and is susceptible to mechanical failure. The digital phase converter appears to be the first fully solid-state device to generate balanced three-phase AC service from single-phase service. John254 01:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Really, the difference between a digital phase converter and a rotary phase converter is analogous to the difference between a solid state inverter and a rotary converter: in both cases, the solid state devices are light-years ahead of their electromechanical counterparts. John254 01:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, but where are the third-party reliable sources that say that? That's really what anybody is aksing for. What trade paper or engineering journal independent of the people who created the device have written something saying "hey, look at this!"? Torc2 (talk) 01:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Where are the third-party reliable sources to support the notability of the rotary phase converter? There aren't any -- the few sources in the article are more along the lines of personal webpages than articles in technical journals. However, as anyone with experience in the electrical industry knows that the device is notable, the sourcing issues can be remedied at a later time -- see Wikipedia:There is no deadline. The same rationale applies to the retention of the digital phase converter article. Furthermore, we aren't dealing with completely unverifiable information here -- the patent for the device confirms its existence. John254 02:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- A patent doesn't establish notability, and the presence of a different unsourced article does not justify keeping this one. The essay you pointed to really contradicts what you're saying: "We can afford to take our time, to consider matters, to wait before creating a new article until its significance is unambiguously established." Torc2 (talk) 02:17, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia:There is no deadline is written with respect to the creation of articles, but the principle applies to deletion as well. There's no reason to delete this article because, while the device has been shown to exist, and is believed to be notable, we don't have sources to establish its notability right now. John254 02:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Believed to be notable by whom? The nominator doesn't believe that, and right now, I don't either. The notability guideline clearly requires more than faith in notability for an article to be kept, and an essay doesn't override that (especially when it says the same thing). There is plenty of reason to delete this article because, simply put, it doesn't appear meet the requirements for keeping it. The requirements are pretty concrete and simple: find independent, reliable published sources that say it's notable. There's really not much leeway here. (Trust me, I've tried.) Torc2 (talk) 02:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Why? Because we run the terrible risk of having an article that... might not be important enough for inclusion? Even though several established users who have participated in this discussion, including myself, believe that the device is notable, must we delete the article anyway to avoid the horrible risk of having an article on something that isn't really important? Consider the possible outcomes here: if the users supporting the retention of this article are wrong, then we have wasted perhaps an infinitesimal portion of our bandwidth on an unimportant article -- few people would read such unimportant material anyway. Deletion of articles doesn't save server space, as the deleted revisions are merely hidden from public view, but retained on the servers indefinitely. Now, if the users supporting the deletion of this article are wrong, then, at best, the deletion will need to be overturned at deletion review, once acceptable source material is found. At worst, since there would be no publicly-viewable article, there will be less incentive to ever find acceptable sources to establish notability, and the article would remain deleted indefinitely. I, for one, would prefer to take the chance that we have might have an article on something that isn't very important, unpleasant though that prospect may be. John254 03:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, your beef over this requirement is not with me. If you'd look above, you'll notice I'm still voting keep on this until you (or whoever cares enough to keep this) is given a fair chance to find those sources. Torc2 (talk) 03:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Much of the commentary cited relates to the exceptional sourcing requirements for biographies of living persons, which this article isn't. Furthermore, the material contained in the article is sourced -- see the patent, whose great technical detail verifies every word in the article. We are concerned with sourcing here, yes, but not to establish that the material contained in the article is true -- merely to establish that this device is sufficiently notable, or important, to merit inclusion. Since several established editors believe that the device is notable, I would suggest retention of the article. John254 04:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Furthermore, I am not, as seems to be implied in one of the above essay citations, arguing that "Wikipedia should be about everything" -- most people, for instance, clearly have no pretensions to notability, and would have articles concerning them speedily deleted pursuant to CSD A7 -- but only because there is a consensus for this practice. Absent compelling policy considerations, we delete articles only when there is a consensus to do so, either because of the class to which the articles belong, or via individualized consideration at AFD. A mere alleged lack of notability is never the sort of "compelling policy consideration" that would justify the deletion of an article absent a clear consensus for this outcome. John254 04:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, your beef over this requirement is not with me. If you'd look above, you'll notice I'm still voting keep on this until you (or whoever cares enough to keep this) is given a fair chance to find those sources. Torc2 (talk) 03:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Why? Because we run the terrible risk of having an article that... might not be important enough for inclusion? Even though several established users who have participated in this discussion, including myself, believe that the device is notable, must we delete the article anyway to avoid the horrible risk of having an article on something that isn't really important? Consider the possible outcomes here: if the users supporting the retention of this article are wrong, then we have wasted perhaps an infinitesimal portion of our bandwidth on an unimportant article -- few people would read such unimportant material anyway. Deletion of articles doesn't save server space, as the deleted revisions are merely hidden from public view, but retained on the servers indefinitely. Now, if the users supporting the deletion of this article are wrong, then, at best, the deletion will need to be overturned at deletion review, once acceptable source material is found. At worst, since there would be no publicly-viewable article, there will be less incentive to ever find acceptable sources to establish notability, and the article would remain deleted indefinitely. I, for one, would prefer to take the chance that we have might have an article on something that isn't very important, unpleasant though that prospect may be. John254 03:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Believed to be notable by whom? The nominator doesn't believe that, and right now, I don't either. The notability guideline clearly requires more than faith in notability for an article to be kept, and an essay doesn't override that (especially when it says the same thing). There is plenty of reason to delete this article because, simply put, it doesn't appear meet the requirements for keeping it. The requirements are pretty concrete and simple: find independent, reliable published sources that say it's notable. There's really not much leeway here. (Trust me, I've tried.) Torc2 (talk) 02:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia:There is no deadline is written with respect to the creation of articles, but the principle applies to deletion as well. There's no reason to delete this article because, while the device has been shown to exist, and is believed to be notable, we don't have sources to establish its notability right now. John254 02:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- A patent doesn't establish notability, and the presence of a different unsourced article does not justify keeping this one. The essay you pointed to really contradicts what you're saying: "We can afford to take our time, to consider matters, to wait before creating a new article until its significance is unambiguously established." Torc2 (talk) 02:17, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Where are the third-party reliable sources to support the notability of the rotary phase converter? There aren't any -- the few sources in the article are more along the lines of personal webpages than articles in technical journals. However, as anyone with experience in the electrical industry knows that the device is notable, the sourcing issues can be remedied at a later time -- see Wikipedia:There is no deadline. The same rationale applies to the retention of the digital phase converter article. Furthermore, we aren't dealing with completely unverifiable information here -- the patent for the device confirms its existence. John254 02:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, but where are the third-party reliable sources that say that? That's really what anybody is aksing for. What trade paper or engineering journal independent of the people who created the device have written something saying "hey, look at this!"? Torc2 (talk) 01:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 05:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Spacetime finance[edit]
- Spacetime finance (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
This article "demonstrates" that financial transactions are subject to the laws of space/time, which is self-evident. If this article were necessary, you could replace "finance" by any noun and have a potential article. Non-notable, possibly WP:FRINGE, possibly no reliable sources (both sources seem to be from one author) Accounting4Taste:talk 23:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Luckely consensus and democracy did not made earth flat, science solved it and in long run time went with science (not trying sarcasm), feel free to delete and let time be judge. comment added by Teller33 (talk • contribs) 11 January 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 00:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Judging by the attitude of the article's creator demonstrated below, a SPA whose contributions have been limited to this article and AfD discussion, I'm going to ask that if the consensus is for deletion that the closing administrator consider SALTing the article. Accounting4Taste:talk 00:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Doesn't demonstrate notability, very new idea. Lawrence Cohen 23:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Why should this page be deleted? Is there anything mathematical incorrect with the theory? If so please point it out. The author claims it is not practical relevant, but it is still a theory that is consistent and bullet proof. The theory is published in a book by John Wiley & Sons Publishing 2007 as well as in a mathematical finance magazine 2004, both sources can be checked by a simple google search. The theory is not very new and have also been presented at several leading universities, so far nobody have attacked the theory or proven it wrong. according to wikipedia:
"John Wiley & Sons, Inc., often referred to as Wiley, is a well-known publishing company specializing in scientific, technical, business related texts, and medical books and journals." I guess wikipedia just is joking?
Presented at Courant Mathematical Institute New York: http://math.nyu.edu/fellows_fin_math/gatheral/case_studies.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teller33 (talk • contribs) 23:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The book with this idea is one of John Wiley & Sons best sellers in its scientific category: http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/Section/id-300229.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teller33 (talk • contribs) 00:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - WP:NOT#TEXT Torc2 (talk) 00:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC) [reply]
"his article "demonstrates" that financial transactions are subject to the laws of space/time, which is self-evident. If this article were necessary, you could replace "finance" by any noun and have a potential article." I assume this is why the author is invited to give talks about this subject and to write a book about it by a a publisher that according to wikipedia "a well-known publishing company specializing in scientific, technical, business related texts" seems inconsistent to me, but I guess that is what happens when everyone can edit wikipedia.unsigned comment added by Teller33 (talk • contribs) 11 January 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 00:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete a catch phrase used as an article title and a book chapter. If other people start using it as an established concept, then it will become notable. Not everything used as a chapter heading in every book Wiley published is a notable concept. DGG (talk) 02:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Sad to see what happened to Wiley. Mathematics is not limited by fundamental laws of physics, btw. Pavel Vozenilek (talk) 22:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. (Regarding the "flat earth" comparison above: that's right, Wikipedia is not science. Wikipedia waits for science to do its job, then waits for writers/reporters/experts to write about it, then summarizes it. This concept hasn't made it through the "science" phase yet, much less the reporting phase.) Bm gub (talk) 22:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was transwiki to Wiktionary, then DELETE. --VS talk 10:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Steamroller (pipe)[edit]
- Steamroller (pipe) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Another pipe for smoking which is not all that notable and lacks anything other than original research. Suggest removal on grounds of both (lack of) notability and verifiability. Delete. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 23:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as it is not original research and looks notable to me, though nowhere near as chillum23:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC). Thanks, SqueakBox
- At your own leisure, please identify the reliable publications about this subject and explain how the article is not original research. Thank you, Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 23:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Yes the article is unsourced, but a search for "Steamroller Pipe" brings up 78k Ghits, and the entire first page is about the pipe. There's no question this is a legitimate article. Torc2 (talk) 00:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The entire first page is a mirror of this version of the Wikipedia article, as it says outright. Counting Google hits is not research. Research involves actually reading what the search engine turns up. There is very much a question of the legitimacy of this article. It has been asserted that this subject is undocumented and thus the article is original research and unverifiable. You haven't cited a single source that documents this subject, yet. Search results are not sources. Uncle G (talk) 00:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't get that result. I see the Wiki article as the second entry, but the rest are all different sites - usually stores (no surprise) - that at least demonstrate that the term is in common use. At the very least, I don't see 78,000 copies of this same article. "Counting Google hits is not research" - I don't know what essay that's from, but it's a faulty argument. The search wasn't intended to verify the content of the article, just verify the object exists and the term is in wide usage, which is all that's required to stop the AfD. Torc2 (talk) 00:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It's a quite correct argument. You are not doing research, in any way, shape or form. You are merely counting Google hits. That is not research. It is the flawed and long-since discredited Google test, that doesn't prove a thing.
Moreover: That you saw this article as the second result does not change what comes up as the first result. Despite my saying that research involves actually reading what the search engine turns up, you apparently have still not actually read the first page that your search turns up, to see that it is indeed an out-of-date Wikipedia mirror, as it openly states.
Verification that something exists that is not what is required at AFD. What are required to make a valid keep argument at AFD, rebutting arguments that an article is unverifiable and original research, are sources, per deletion policy. That the object exists is irrelevant, and is not a valid argument. The plot of grassland to the west of my house exists. Despite the fact that I mentioned our Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research policies, the only counter to which is to show that sources exist, you have still to make a valid argument that holds water, have still to cite even a single source, and have still to make any case at all for keeping the article. You are propounding several of the classic fallacies, instead. Please learn to not repeat these long-since-debunked and fallacious arguments at AFD. Once again: Counting Google hits is not research, and search results are not sources. Please familiarize yourself with our deletion and content policies.
Sources! Sources! Sources! Uncle G (talk) 02:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- From the essay you linked: "Search engines can: Confirm roughly how popularly referenced an expression is". Sounds like it's doing all I said it was doing. For that matter, nothing on the page you linked said the results were totally useless, just that they can't be relied on alone to prove anything. Incidentally, a google search for "The plot of grassland to the west of Uncle G's house" only returns one hit, and that's back to here, so that's really not an accurate comparison. Do you have any external sources to prove it exists? Torc2 (talk) 02:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It's a quite correct argument. You are not doing research, in any way, shape or form. You are merely counting Google hits. That is not research. It is the flawed and long-since discredited Google test, that doesn't prove a thing.
- I don't get that result. I see the Wiki article as the second entry, but the rest are all different sites - usually stores (no surprise) - that at least demonstrate that the term is in common use. At the very least, I don't see 78,000 copies of this same article. "Counting Google hits is not research" - I don't know what essay that's from, but it's a faulty argument. The search wasn't intended to verify the content of the article, just verify the object exists and the term is in wide usage, which is all that's required to stop the AfD. Torc2 (talk) 00:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The entire first page is a mirror of this version of the Wikipedia article, as it says outright. Counting Google hits is not research. Research involves actually reading what the search engine turns up. There is very much a question of the legitimacy of this article. It has been asserted that this subject is undocumented and thus the article is original research and unverifiable. You haven't cited a single source that documents this subject, yet. Search results are not sources. Uncle G (talk) 00:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
comment - Sourced. Torc2 (talk) 06:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge // Liftarn (talk)
- Keep. It's got sources, enough at least to prove existence and notability.--Prosfilaes (talk) 01:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The sources cited in the article fall into one of two categories: (1) they do not meet our standards for reliable sources and/or (2) they are not sources at all, just mere dictionary definitions. For example, one of the Google book searches links to "The Complete Drug Slang Dictionary" by Emmanuel Frost, and all it says about the subject is "pipe used to smoke marijuana". The marijuana.com citation should be removed post haste as well, it is just a Google scraper. The erowid page is a user-submitted essay about their own personal drug experience and happens to mention the pipe in passing. How exactly is this useful information? RFerreira (talk) 21:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The sources are reliable, they're just not scholarly. Who would you trust on an article describing a cannabis pipe, a Harvard sociology profession, or somebody who was probably baked as they wrote it? The sources, including the one deleted (which I disagree with), show beyond the threshold of verifiability that the pipe exists and is in common usage. Torc2 (talk) 23:05, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Interesting discussion. Transwiki to wikionary. The sources seem reliable, but essentially provide a dict-def, which is all this article is (plus a one-sentence "how-to"). That the thing is defined does not make it (a) notable, (b) encyclopedic. Kudos on the sourcing however - they are good sources for the definition, on a topic that I would imagine is hard to find reliable sources. Pastordavid (talk) 02:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Smoking pipe (non-tobacco) and Transwiki to Wiktionary. Let's look at the references provided in the article now (version). The first reference (to marijuana.com) is a web site search; the results of this search seem to be hits against forum entries, which are not (in this case) reliable sources. The second and third references are another matter; these are to published books (not self-published, I believe) and they are sufficient to satisfy verifiability of the meaning of the term, but not sufficient to support the full content of the article or the notability of the topic. The last reference (erowid) is really interesting, is likely factual and accurate, but does not meet the standard of Wikipedia reliable sources, I'm sorry to say. Thus, we have a term that we know is used in the subculture, which we know the rough meaning of, and which use is supported by reliable sources. This spells two fates - a wiktionary entry and a list entry. My recommendation regarding process: I would tag the article with {{Copy to Wiktionary}}, merge the verifiable content to the target noted at the beginning of this comment, and once the copy-to-Wikt is done, convert the article to a redirect tagged with {{R from merge}}. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.--Kubigula (talk) 23:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Velvet Love Entertainment[edit]
- Velvet Love Entertainment (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Non notable tag team as of yet. Nikki311 23:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment (Negative): There are absolutely no reliable sources for attribution of their meeting the WP:BIO notability criteria ... by definition, links to their MySpace pages and biographies on their employer's website do not qualify as WP:RS. —72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) 04:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'm also very unsure about this, but I will point out that -- while biographies from the TNA website are not reliable sources in a strict sense -- they do confer a level of notability. The company is involved in cable television production, so those listed as performers on the website are known to be on cable television. (This isn't much, but it is far superior to the level of coverage these ladies had during a spate of previous article attempts.) Xoloz (talk) 15:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply: I'll grant that it's better coverage, however, I still consider an employer's website (regardless of how much of a reliable source it may be) to be a primary source, and WP:BIO#Basic criteria explicitly requires "secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." :-) —72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) 20:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I think the editor may have been saying that being a performer for TNA Wrestling gives some level of inherent notability due to their presence on television and Pay-Per-View, and that their profiles are proof of their employment (and therefore their notability). I see Xoloz's point completely, and if Velvet Love Entertainment had their own team profile on said website then I might be more interested in keeping the article. But they don't, and I'm not. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 21:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply: I won't deny that an employer's website is OK for verification of some facts (e.g. date/place of birth, actual employment there, etc.), but they do not satisfy "has been the subject of published secondary source material" ... I view "known to be on cable television" (in itself) as noteriety, not notability, which (in the case of television "celebrities") is a given ... that's all I'm saying. —72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) 01:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I think the editor may have been saying that being a performer for TNA Wrestling gives some level of inherent notability due to their presence on television and Pay-Per-View, and that their profiles are proof of their employment (and therefore their notability). I see Xoloz's point completely, and if Velvet Love Entertainment had their own team profile on said website then I might be more interested in keeping the article. But they don't, and I'm not. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 21:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply: I'll grant that it's better coverage, however, I still consider an employer's website (regardless of how much of a reliable source it may be) to be a primary source, and WP:BIO#Basic criteria explicitly requires "secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." :-) —72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) 20:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for now due to concerns about notability (is there anything in this article that could not be used in the individual subject's pages? Oh yes - one of them doesn't even have a page!). ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 20:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom iMatthew (talk) 13:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as a tag team - not notable. Individual articles would be better. GetDumb 21:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete per CSD A1 (just an infobox) & G1, with a smattering of G3.SkierRMH (talk) 00:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Danger (1977 film)[edit]
- Danger (1977 film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Another hoax from the creator of Killer Klowns from Outer Space (1955 film). No such movie, as even the briefest of perusals of the participants' imdb pages will attest Corvus cornixtalk 23:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete as another WP:HOAX. Also WP:BOLLOCKS. —Travistalk 23:12, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete G3 (vandalism). So tagged. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 23:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete as hoax. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 23:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete by User:John Reaves made up (non-admin closure). —Travistalk 01:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Killer Klowns from Outer Space (1955 film)[edit]
- Killer Klowns from Outer Space (1955 film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Hoax? IMDB doesn't know anything about this film, and I can't find any meaningful hits when I google "'Killer Klowns from Outer Space' 1955". Corvus cornixtalk 22:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete - Sounds like, looks like, and smells like B.S. to me. —Travistalk 23:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete per nom and others. This is a worthless hoax. --Lockley (talk) 23:12, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete G3 (vandalism). So tagged. The one from the 1980s was the original, this article is entirely WP:BALLS. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 23:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete after some searching, I haven't been able to find a single mention of the film before its 1988 incarnation. Seems like a hoax. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 23:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete this page is completely convoluted. LazyDaisy (talk) 11:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. John254 00:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Chillum (pipe)[edit]
This isn't a notable or verifiable type of cannabis pipe and thus I ask that the article be removed. Delete. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 22:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Though an WP:OSE reasoning, we have an article on other pipes, such as Steamroller (pipe). The page in question has been around for almost three years. There is a reference to what it is, and that much is verifiable (as opposed to a "someone claimed this exists" article). The article's content is sufficient so as to demonstrate notability. Is it a very notable subject? No. Is it notable "enough"? Yes. Therefore, at bare minimum combine into a Cannabis pipes article, but I believe that WP:Notability and WP:Verifiability are minimally met and could be met through additional referencing. Therefore, should be a Keep. VigilancePrime (talk) 23:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and rename Chillum. Clearly verifiable, the content would have to be merged into Smoking pipe as it is essential that this notable subject is covered. Merely because its use is relatively rare outside India does not indicate lack of notability. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC) Nor do the 6 refs the article now contains. Thanks, SqueakBox 06:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What material in this article did you find verifiable? That is the primary basis for deletion here. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 23:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well lets start with the first sentence. Why would this article not be verifiable. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Your argument is at fault, but I will entertain it anyhow. If only the first sentence is verifiable then it is apparent that an article cannot be sustained and should in fact be deleted. Thank you for making my point. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 23:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No its not. Don't just glibly tell me my argument is at fault merely because you disagree, I didn't get beyond the first sentence in answering your question so don't assume I am saying only the first sentence is verifiable as that would be putting words into my mouth. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, again. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 23:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It is the obligation of one seeking to add or keep content to provide sources and references. However, that argument is somewhat beside the point, since it isn't whether the article is good as it is, but whether or not it should be kept & improved that would most directly bear on this deletion discussion. --SSBohio 01:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, again. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 23:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No its not. Don't just glibly tell me my argument is at fault merely because you disagree, I didn't get beyond the first sentence in answering your question so don't assume I am saying only the first sentence is verifiable as that would be putting words into my mouth. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What material in this article did you find verifiable? That is the primary basis for deletion here. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 23:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - Obviously verified by the first source. Article has not been previously tagged and AfD is not cleanup. Nom's attitude is also not appreciated.Torc2 (talk) 00:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I see no incivility in the above. And no, what is actually obvious from the first source is that it only supports 1 sentence of content, as already pointed out. Where has this subject been documented in depth by multiple published works from reliable and independent sources, to the extent that a full article can be made? Please cite sources to demonstrate that the subject satisfies the Primary Notability Criterion. Uncle G (talk) 00:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You see no incivility? "Thank you for making my point." "Don't just glibly tell me my argument is at fault merely because you disagree." "Thank you, again." You don't see Coccyx Bloccyx's last comment as being exceptionally condescending? And regardless of whether the source only supports the first sentence, it makes clear that the existence of the pipe meets WP:V and probably WP:N. Yes, more sources are needed; no, there is not enough cause to delete. Torc2 (talk) 01:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It should be noted that prior to this discussion he redirected the article (then at Chillum) to Chillum, Maryland three times without discussion. He removed my comment about it from his talk page and told me that if I did not source it (I have no history of editing this article, I just noticed that he had redirected it) he would post it at AfD (which I had directed him to do in my deleted comment). He has since moved it to Chillum (pipe) without any attempt at gathering consensus, a move I believe to be without basis. I'm not going to contest that, though, because the information is still available, and I really don't want to get into an argument with an editor with such behavior. Atropos (talk) 04:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You see no incivility? "Thank you for making my point." "Don't just glibly tell me my argument is at fault merely because you disagree." "Thank you, again." You don't see Coccyx Bloccyx's last comment as being exceptionally condescending? And regardless of whether the source only supports the first sentence, it makes clear that the existence of the pipe meets WP:V and probably WP:N. Yes, more sources are needed; no, there is not enough cause to delete. Torc2 (talk) 01:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I see no incivility in the above. And no, what is actually obvious from the first source is that it only supports 1 sentence of content, as already pointed out. Where has this subject been documented in depth by multiple published works from reliable and independent sources, to the extent that a full article can be made? Please cite sources to demonstrate that the subject satisfies the Primary Notability Criterion. Uncle G (talk) 00:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep & improve - This article's topic meets the basic standards of notability and verifiability, even if lacking in other areas. It clearly needs more citations, but the topic itself appears to meet the standard for inclusion. Stubbify at the extreme, but the subject should be covered here. If no sources arise, then the article can always be merged into smoking pipe. Our goal needs to be to make bad articles better, maybe even the gold standard, not merely to delete whatever doesn't measure up at this moment. --SSBohio 01:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep i don't see why this would be deleted. It's verifiable by the source, it's obviously notable. ⇒SWATJester Son of the Defender 01:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep. Improvement may be needed per SSBohio, but what articles cannot be improved? —Whig (talk) 05:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Well-known in South Asia. utcursch | talk 15:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. --VS talk 10:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Whitney Gravel[edit]
- Whitney Gravel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
As far as I can see, there is no notability for Mrs. Gravel presented in the article. Just being the wife of a candidate does not make her notable. Metros (talk) 22:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- So you're saying that Elizabeth Kucinich is more notable than Mike Gravel's wife, whom both of the wives spouse's both come in at 0-1%? I'm sure that there will be more notable information added as Gravel's campaign continues. CoolKid1993 (talk) 22:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- How many votes their husbands get have nothing to do with the notability of these women. Metros (talk) 23:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, not exactly. If someone becomes a major party nominee, their spouse always gets an article, e.g. Eleanor McGovern, Kitty Dukakis. So notability is sort of a combined function both of the person's own accomplisments and the political spouse's. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- True, but Gravel isn’t going to be the Democratic nominee in any conceivable situation. —Travistalk 00:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, because as the candidate gets more coverage, so too does their spouse through the human interest that crops up. But just being the spouse doesn't equal the notability, the coverage is what does. Metros (talk) 02:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well it's not like Barbara Richardson, Bill Richardson's wife, is any more famous than Whitney is. All of her fame comes back to being known as Bill Richardson's wife as well, and the same goes for all of the presidential candidate's wives, some are just more known in the media, i.e. Michelle Obama and Elizabeth Edwards, but it should be beneficial to have a stub-class article for each of the presidential candidate's wives despite there husband or wive's viabilty to become there party's nomination. CoolKid1993 (talk) 05:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete the article as it stands has one minor media mention of Mrs. Gravel, so does not meet the criteria of multiple sources required by WP:BIO. I don't believe that being the wife of a presidential candidate by itself confers notability. For better or worse Mrs. Kucinich has received major media coverage which Mrs. gravel appears not to have done. If proper sources showing media coverage of Mrs. Gravel can be found (particularly for any references to her that are not focused solely on her role as Senator Gravel's wife) I'd be prepared to change my view on this. Gwernol 23:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)`[reply]
- Delete. Mike Gravel is not a serious candidate, so the analogy to the other wives is faulty. Nothing in the article shows any real independent notability. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, While I think some of the candidate's wives have gained some notability as a result of their husband's presidential campaigns, Whitney Gravel is an exception to this, due in part to the lack of media coverage about her, or her husband's campaign. --TommyBoy (talk) 01:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep While some may argue that Whitney isn't notable because her husband has, "no chance" of winning the Democratic nomination, it's the duty of the encyclopedia to be consistent in application. If all other candidate wives get pages, then so too should Whitney. '''Shawn''' (talk) 06:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No one is arguing that the article should be deleted because of Mike Gravel's chances of winning the nomination. The argument is she doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines because she has not been the subject of multiple independent published articles. It is not the duty of the encyclopedia to apply the particular consistency formula you are proposing, we stick to established policies and guidelines (see notability and verifiability. Gwernol 11:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy Delete by User:AliveFreeHappy CSD G12: Blatant Copyright infringement (non-admin closure). —Travistalk 00:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Security Information Management System[edit]
- Security Information Management System (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
This is a terrible article. It does not explain what the subject of the article actually is. Its main text is the exact same ~40 words as when it was created nearly three years ago and when it was tagged for context nearly two and a half years ago. It reads like (very bad) advertising copy. If anybody was going to improve it, or chooses to improve it now to save it from deletion (as apparently there are vast multitudes of people who consider it a vitally important article, judging by the speed with which they removed my speedy and prod today), they have no excuse for not doing it before now. Propaniac (talk) 22:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete as a copyvio of http://www.elementalsecurity.com/glossary/security-information-management.php. andy (talk) 23:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirect, merge as appropriate. Pastordavid (talk) 03:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hummer H4[edit]
Unrefferenced article about an automobile that may or may not exist in the future. Purely editor speculation. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Roguegeek (talk) 22:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Hummer_HX. It's the exact same vehicle. Tavix (talk) 22:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Hummer HX. —Travistalk 22:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Merge/redirect to Hummer HX, but with better sources. The H4 name is not confirmed, just speculation/rumor. --Dhartung | Talk 11:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to Funny looking car, since that's what it looks like. Oh, wait, we can't do that. (Besides the Pontiac Aztek already fills that spot.) Merge/redirect to Hummer HX per Dhartung. Apparently, there are a couple sources that say there's a concept in the works, but there should be better sourcing all around if such sources are available. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 16:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 05:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Basheer Alrashidi[edit]
- Basheer Alrashidi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Speedy rejected because of claim of notability. It's an advert for a self-help guru so the article calls him "notable", of course, but there are no references to support this claim. Very few ghits, mostly from a few TV interviews. Just another pundit. Fails WP:NN, WP:VERIFY andy (talk) 21:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete unless evidence can be given that his books are published by a reputable publisher. Deb (talk) 12:21, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Per nom, non-verifiable with a strong fragrance of spam. --Lockley (talk) 06:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Have paid careful attention to this complex debate and all present and past comments. I note that it has been said some of the content may be salvageable to other articles and the thought of that task has been described as being a nightmare - however I assume the keep proponents will assist in that task. I will be happy to assist in cut and paste to a sandbox if that has not already been undertaken.--VS talk 11:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
History of western Eurasia[edit]
- History of western Eurasia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Previous AfD debate was closed as "no consensus" with the admonition: A conversation about merging and renaming can happen on the article talk page. Certainly the article seems redundant with other history articles, but that's easily dealt with. It has not been "dealt with", and the editor who is dominating this space to the point of WP:OWN has only more completely dominated this article in the past few months. The article is so perversely authored, nobody wishes to even attempt improving it. John Russ Finley (talk) 21:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete. Fundamentally a POV fork of History of Europe, History of the Mediterranean region, and History of the Middle East to highlight the theories of anti-establishment (though admittedly now recognized) historian McEvedy. But setting aside the POV issues and the apparent ownership concerns (not themselves cause for deletion in most cases), the death knell here is the fundamental concept. What is this article the history of? Western Eurasia (or, before the pagemove, West Eurasia)? Those are redlinked as I write this, for a reason -- the absence of multiple, nontrivial, reliable sources that use such terms to describe Europe proper plus the remainder of the Mediterranean region and bits of the Middle East. Indeed, the article itself struggles to confine the region at hand (is Persia part of this "western Eurasia", for example). Wikipedia cannot have an article on the History of <foo>, when we cannot define <foo>, or where <foo> itself fails to meet our standards of WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:NPOV. To do otherwise, as this article has done, is to build on a foundation of sand. Serpent's Choice (talk) 22:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- As I read it ownership is related to the behavior of an editor towards others who wish to edit not to the percentage edits made. Do you have any reason to believe that any editor has behaved towards other editors in a way that shows ownership? Second, please explain to me why you think McEvedy's atlases display an anti-establishment POV. Have you read them?Dejvid (talk) 23:08, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The nature of ownership in this case would stem not from a hostile treatment of editors who are trying to help (you seem to be kind and courteous to a fault, Dejvid), but rather the creation of a stream-of-fact prose that is so off-putting to other editors, they would not even wish to wade into this owner's article. Example: At least the Byzantines no longer had to worry about the Avars who had lost control over their Slav vassals but as these Slav tribes had overrun all the Balkans (including most of Greece) this did not help the Byzantines much and their only really sizable territory was Anatolia. I could not author a more incoherent set of nouns, verbs, and possessive pronouns if I tried. People are running screaming from this article, and some are even making fun of it on sites critical of Wikipedia. We can do better than this, but let's do it in History of <foo> locations that are more widely accepted (such as Europe, the Mediterranean, North Africa, and the Middle East) and have a more thriving community of authors, rather than this one author's narrative playground. - John Russ Finley (talk) 04:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I still think you should reread the page on ownership but thanks for putting it in a way that it is impossible for me to be offended by. I'm not sure how you define thriving. History of the Middle East has had a request for sources for over a year and nothing has been done. The same notice was placed on History of western Eurasia and it now has 45 reffs. It would be better if more that one person had been adding sources but that is still better than zero.Dejvid (talk) 17:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- As I read it ownership is related to the behavior of an editor towards others who wish to edit not to the percentage edits made. Do you have any reason to believe that any editor has behaved towards other editors in a way that shows ownership? Second, please explain to me why you think McEvedy's atlases display an anti-establishment POV. Have you read them?Dejvid (talk) 23:08, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete West Eurasia == Europe ; Western Eurasia == West Europe (Western Europe, Northwest Europe, Southwest Europe). So... this is the History of Europe. 132.205.44.5 (talk) 22:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. It is an overview. I find McEvedy's arguments for using this area as the basis for an overview convincing. An overview based on Europe handles things like the Punic Wars and the Persian Wars awkwardly but there is room for several different overviews. The topic, the history of this area, is highly notable and very easy to scorce.Dejvid (talk) 22:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You are right that addressing the Punic Wars or the Persian Empire in the context of a History of Europe is problematic. That is why there is also a History of the Mediterranean region (which, admittedly, could be better) and a History of the Middle East. Claims that there is a justifiable need for a combined article, especially since the base concept (western Eurasia) can't even seem to muster an article at all, is going to need some demonstrated sourcing from more than McEvedy. Serpent's Choice (talk) 22:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The triangle conflict of the Avars, Byzantinium and Sassanid Persia is awkward within History of the Mediterranean region etc. It is the topic which needs to be notable not the term use to describe it. Hence it is irrelevant that western Eurasia is (I agree) not worth an article. The reason why notability is important is that non notable topics are hard to source and has a danger of original research. The topic of this page is by contrast very easy to find sources for.Dejvid (talk) 17:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You are right that addressing the Punic Wars or the Persian Empire in the context of a History of Europe is problematic. That is why there is also a History of the Mediterranean region (which, admittedly, could be better) and a History of the Middle East. Claims that there is a justifiable need for a combined article, especially since the base concept (western Eurasia) can't even seem to muster an article at all, is going to need some demonstrated sourcing from more than McEvedy. Serpent's Choice (talk) 22:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 23:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The maps show North Africa too. Note the common term in business of EMEA. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I agree that History of Europe is pretty much the same as History of western Eurasia.--DerRichter (talk) 00:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete due to notability concerns, in insufficient sources. While I still do not see the POV issue, there is not a lot of evidence that more than two scholars see this as a paradigm. Bearian'sBooties (talk) 19:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Some Refs Note more than two.
- The first great divergence : China and Europe, 500-800 CE (uses term western Eurasia to mean the area that is the focus of article)
- ((Note: the word "Africa" is never used in this article.))-John Russ Finley (talk) 02:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually it is the other round. If you google for "western Eurasia" and Africa you get pages that refer to "western and Eurasia and North Africa". The authors do not specifically mention north Africa because they assume that North Africa is included as part of western Eurasia. But there is something more fundamental that the term used. It is advancing the thesis that on there were two regions of advanced civilization that initially had similar histories but then developed in two quite different directions. The eastern was China. Is it really so controversial that the western was not simply Europe but embraced north Africa and western Asia and it is worth having a page covering the history of that region on Wikipedia?Dejvid (talk) 11:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "The authors do not specifically mention north Africa because they assume that North Africa is included as part of western Eurasia..." Excuse me if I'm mistaken, but is that your WP:OR, or is that documented in some other source? - John Russ Finley (talk) 04:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- How does it make sense to say that the Abbasid Khalifate was an attempt to recreate Rome (as the article argues) and not have Africa in mind given it was the African bits of Rome that it held (and Syria of course)? But what is at issue here is not the tittle of the wiki page but topic that the article covers. That article deals with a specific geographical area which is defined and a number of historians have found that region a useful concept. I didn't cite this for the sake of a definition of the term. It is not the tittle of a wiki page that needs to establish notability but the topic. Dejvid (talk) 11:08, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually it is the other round. If you google for "western Eurasia" and Africa you get pages that refer to "western and Eurasia and North Africa". The authors do not specifically mention north Africa because they assume that North Africa is included as part of western Eurasia. But there is something more fundamental that the term used. It is advancing the thesis that on there were two regions of advanced civilization that initially had similar histories but then developed in two quite different directions. The eastern was China. Is it really so controversial that the western was not simply Europe but embraced north Africa and western Asia and it is worth having a page covering the history of that region on Wikipedia?Dejvid (talk) 11:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- ((Note: the word "Africa" is never used in this article.))-John Russ Finley (talk) 02:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The divergent evolution of coinage in eastern and western Eurasia
- [6] Italy and Euro-Mediteranian] (uses term western Eurasia to mean the area that is the focus of article)
- Thompson, William R. 1999. “The Military Superiority Thesis and he Ascendancy of Western Eurasia in the World System.” Journal of World History 10:143–178.
- The New Penguin Atlas of Ancient History,(+ Medieval +two later ones) Colin McEvedy Gives reasons why the area as a sutible focus for historical study though he doesn't use the term West Eurasia
- Jared Diamond in Guns, Germs, and Steel Explicitly uses the term western Eurasia.
Dejvid (talk) 20:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep but rename - this is a wide-ranging article of a kind that WP does not do well. It seems to be about the Mediterranean World and Middle East and their relationship. I would prefer to see these appearing in the title, as the present title suggests a scope including Russia (which is not mentioned or hardly. I have no problem over notability. However, there are too few sources, and I am not clear whether those cited are the most authoritative (not being an expert on that aspect of history). I would suggest that the final two (empty) sections should be removed, so that the scope would be limited to end with the medieval period, probably with "Renaissance" becoming "late medieval". This would make it Ancient and Medieval History of the Mediterranean and Middle East. This is perhaps a slightly clumsy title, but reflects is scope covering late BC to AD1500. Some sections need linking with "main" templates to more detailed articles, but that is a matter of improving the article, and certainly does not warrant deletion. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- McEvedy describes it as the Europe-Near East Area. Would you support a move to History of Europe-Near East up till 1500 or something?Dejvid (talk) 22:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Very weak keep. "In 453 Attila died in bed with his new wife. As a result, the Hun Empire collapsed." Anyone else get unforunate memories of Body of Evidence with these lines? Seriously, the article needs major work. Personally, I have to question whether the "region" even deserves a separate article. However, having said this, I am leaving a note at Wikipedia:WikiProject History about this discussion. John Carter (talk) 18:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- comment -
I haven't followed any of this debate, nor am I very familiar with wikipedia's various "History of X" articles. So I don't feel like offering a support/delete opinion, but have a few thoughts and questions.
First, it seems most here agree that the term History of western Eurasia is not so great and is probably not worth keeping. As for a better term, I'm not sure one exists, nor is one needed. Rather than searching for a name I want to ask, as User:Serpent's Choice did, What is this article the history of? Reading the article it seems fairly clear. It is a history of the Mediterranean and surrounding regions, from ancient to modern times. Or, one might call it a history of Europe and surrounding regions, as Europe and the Mediterranean are so closely linked. The larger context includes a vast area reaching from the Indus River to the Atlantic Ocean and from the Sahara to the Arctic. Makes sense to me. How can you meaningfully describe Mediterranean/European history without this larger context?
Slight tangent: I understand why articles like "History of X" and "Geography of X" tend to be broken down by continent and country, but I hope people don't therefore think the "History of X" does not involve A, B, and C! I mean, take an overly silly example -- in European history there were a number of crusades during which armies traveled to a place outside of Europe (see History of Asia). Silly, yes, but the point is that the history of Europe, (north Africa), and (parts of) Asia are so deeply entwined as to be inseparable. I think, maybe, that is what this "western Eurasian" article is trying to address.
On the other hand, the History of Europe page already does a somewhat decent job of ignoring that invisible Europe-ends-here line and readily incorporates info about Egypt, Persia, India, Siberia, and so on. It is perhaps a bit lacking in the history of Islam, which deserves more attention if only for its profound effect on European history. The History of western Eurasia page may have a better start on that.
Finally, a thought on McEvedy and his geographic delineation. It seems to me that one of his goals was to create a historical atlas in which every map would cover the exact same area at the same scale. If I understand it, he hoped that this method would help convey a consistency to an otherwise chaotic and confusing history. You can compare any two maps and see at a glance the chances from place to place over time. That makes sense. But it seems worth noting that he was creating historical atlases, not mainly-prose articles. In an article there is less need to be strict about the geographical boundary of study. If suddenly you need to describes events in China it is not going to ruin the article focus.
Sorry for being so wordy, I'm done now! Maybe now I'll get around to writing that Maritime History of the Indian Ocean from Zanazibar to the Moluccas. :-) Pfly (talk) 07:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 05:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Liu-lig Gong Fang[edit]
- Liu-lig Gong Fang (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Notability is lacked here. Ohmpandya (Talk) 21:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - non-notable advertisement of sorts, or so it seems. -FrankTobia (talk) 22:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]- Keep - with cab's recent edits, notability has been established and the article is much more neutral and useful. Kudos to cab for being particularly awesome. -FrankTobia (talk) 18:50, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep moved to correct name "Liuli Gongfang" (it can also be spaced as "Liu Li Gong Fang" or "Liuligongfang") and rewritten with sources. Notable company; its founders are described as the originators of contemporary Chinese glass art. cab (talk) 02:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: WikiProject Companies has been informed of this ongoing discussion. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 13:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Meets WP:N. Noroton (talk) 23:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep in light of recent edits, this now meets WP:N standards. RFerreira (talk) 21:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy Delete by Anthony.bradbury as G1. Non-admin close--CastAStone//₵₳$↑₳₴₮ʘ№€ 23:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Smooky[edit]Non-notable neoglism, pure dictionary definition. Sourced (improperly) through Wiktionary. Propose delete under WP:NOT#DICT. Redfarmer (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Elkman (Elkspeak) 18:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Veronica Grey[edit]
IMDB entry indicates tiny number of non-significant roles, biography is self-penned by subject. Publications appear to be vanity press imprints. Overall, appears not to meet WP:BIO. Reads like self-written promotion. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 21:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. John254 00:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Barbie as Rapunzel[edit]
Non-notable direct to video film. Nothing to distinguish it from any number of other cheaply made product franchise films. The article isn't much more than a plot outline. WebHamster 20:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Elkman (Elkspeak) 18:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Barbie Mariposa[edit]
Non-notable direct to video film that has not yet been released. Prod removed by article creator without comment. WebHamster 20:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was speedy delete under criterion G3: creation of the article, a duplicate of The realm of no!, was to disrupt the AfD process there. —C.Fred (talk) 06:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Die Republikaner auf Nein[edit]
Also included in this AfD for the same reason: Non-notable module for Dungeons & Dragons. Article admits the module was never mass published and only references are to forum postings. Redfarmer (talk) 20:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Speedy delete a1, no substance, all speculation, see WP:CRYSTAL. NawlinWiki (talk) 20:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Bullets of Vengeance[edit]
Speculation on an upcoming manga. Falls under WP:CRYSTAL. Redfarmer (talk) 20:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Merge/Redirect with district. JERRY talk contribs 02:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Chesapeake Science Point[edit]
sub high school level schools are not considered notable unless there is a specific event or qualifier that gives them a claim to such notability Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 20:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Speedy Delete, G10 by ArnoldReinhold, non-admin close. Redfarmer (talk) 20:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] James Badro[edit]Biography that doesn't provide evidence of notability (only claims it). Possibly a joke article, or just an autobiography of a NN person (see: "His current principal research interest is measuring the softness of armchairs and observing the insides of his eyelids.", "holds the world record for the 1500 metre nap", "[....] but his parents emigrated to France because they could stand boiled andouillette with mint sauce." [11]) — TheBilly(Talk) 19:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete Spartaz Humbug! 20:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Molten Group[edit]This article has been speedily deleted at least three times, but the editor has returned under two usernames to repost. Hopefully an AfD can settle this. My reason for nominating is that notability is not proven as per WP:N. The article seems to stake notability from being shortlisted for the "National Busines Awards", in fact it was shortlisted for a regional heat and, presumably progressed no further. It also states that a director was finalist for Female Entrepreneur of the Year, but the link reveals that the competition required an self-nomination and entry fee. The second nomination was for Young Entrepreneur of the Year, but again this was a self-nomination (although without an entry fee). I don't think either awards confer notability to Wikipedia's standards. Neither the group or individual have actually won any of these awards. I've tried to find some notability, but Google returns only a few hits limited to their own website, Wikipedia, LinkedIn and a few jobsites. BlinkingBlimey (talk) 19:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Username Just to assure you that the only reason a second username was created was to conform by Wikipedia guidelines that recommended not to use the first user name but to create a new one. So this is the reason for the new posting. Repostings First speedy deletion warning: Blatant Advertising Initially you wrote to say all it required was a reference list which we added. As a new contributor that did not fully understand the process - the article was reposted. Second speedy deletion warning: Notability It was recommended to rewrite the article in its entirety. This was done and reposted. Third speedy deletion warning: was back to 'Blatant Advertising' and then changed to 'Notability'. This is what is being discussed presently. Awards The above mentioned awards attract much attention with small companies and both finalist and winners are noteworthy. You mention that some awards were self nomination, it is worth mentioning to be eligible to submit a nomination, strict criteria must be met and becoming a finalist shows the firm/ person to exceed the criteria set out. http://www.fgba.co.uk/entry_criteria.htm With regard your comment on fees; it is common practice for business award nominations to have administration and process fees levied. The example highlighted above is approx £35. In the article there are 10 references available. Small companies do not have PR companies managing their profile, so extensive coverage proves more challenging. Examples of sites on wikipedia that have similar notability http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detica http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto%27s_Pub_%26_Brewery Oyster007 (talk) 11:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To: Oni Ookami Alfador Thank you for your interest in this article. Regarding your comment 'User appears to be creating multiple accounts to circumvent the policy'. This is not the case at all. I had to create a new username to comply with Wikipedia policy and recommendations. This article is written in the spirit of Wikipedia. 213.208.100.177 (talk) 11:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To: Oni Ookami Alfador This is the core of the notice I received to create a new account! Just to reiterate, i have only created two accounts - not multiple. The initial one is no longer in use bescuase of the notice below that was sent to that account. I now use the second account username only. As a new user to Wikipedia, I thought this was the correct action to take. 'You are encouraged to create a new account and contribute to Wikipedia under an appropriate username. Our username policy provides guidance on selecting your username. Alternately, you may request a change in username if you want to keep the contributions from this account. In many cases (especially if your account has few or no edits), it is much easier to create a new account. You may also edit Wikipedia without creating an account'. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 13:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC) Thanks Oyster007 (talk) 14:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Tim Vickers (talk) 22:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Null Physics[edit]
The result was Speedy Delete by User:Starblind CSD G3: Pure Vandalism (non-admin close). —Travistalk 19:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Ktothef[edit]Vanity/vandal redirect dating from 2005. Floaterfluss (talk) (contribs) 18:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC) Floaterfluss (talk) (contribs) 18:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. John254 00:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Limerence[edit]Neologism, Not Verifiable. Entire article based on one source of questionable reliability. Pianoguy (talk) 18:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Neıl ☎ 10:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Indian Valley Public Library[edit]
No evidence of notability. Just another public library like thousands of others. Rtphokie (talk) 18:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. DS (talk) 00:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Urobasican[edit]Constructed non-notable language, prod tag removed. Appears to be entirely fictional. Acroterion (talk) 18:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Elkman (Elkspeak) 18:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Bookyards[edit]Spammish page for a website that doesn't meet WP:RS or WP:WEB, was going to prod it, but it was prod deleted before, Delete Secret account 18:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. east.718 at 00:07, January 17, 2008 Moroccan diaspora[edit]
Delete Unencyclopedic. No source. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 17:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. — Scientizzle 19:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] CampaignCircus[edit]
Does not seem to be a notable web site, maybe also a hoax? VivioFateFan (Talk, Sandbox) 00:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] I've been using campaigncircus.com since they launched, they have the a great collection of campaign ads. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.132.35.108 (talk) 07:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC) — 217.132.35.108 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
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