Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/JarlaxleArtemis 2

Multiple grammatical errors

Someone might want to change "RfA" to "RfAr" - Alphax ^τεχ 7 July 2005 05:43 (UTC)

Request to amend prior case: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/JarlaxleArtemis 2

List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request:

• Martijn Hoekstra (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) (initiator)
• JarlaxleArtemis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Note that there is no effective means of notification.

Statement by Martijn Hoekstra

Following discussion on WikiEN-l I would like to ask the Arbitration Committe to review the effective options we have to limit the impact of the disruptive behaviour of the individual behind JarlaxleArtemis (better known as Grawp). The measures we have used so far (as listed by soxred93: Huggle, ClueBot, Notices on IRC, Spam blacklist, Abuse filter (in the future), and as added by Christopher Grant, adminbots as Miza's) haven't been able to effectively stop disruption to a satisfactory level. His ISP, Verizon, has so far been unresponsive. Options that have been suggested are stronger attempts at contacting Verizon, preferably by people who have a clear connection to Wikipedia and/or the Wikimedia foundation. Another option discussed are various forms of placing large rangeblocks if Verizon remains unresponsive. It is clearly preferable if rangeblocking is not needed, but there are some voices that rangeblocks may be an option to make it known to Verizon that we are nearing our last resorts, and without their assistance to stop the abuse, we may have no other choise.

Therefore I would like to ask the arbitration committe to guide the discussion on the enforcement on the ban on Grawp, and on additional measures that can be taken.

Statement by JzG

The user is already banned and is unlikely to be anything else this side of the heat death of the universe. Anything else should be down to the community, and perhaps the office.

For the record, I think we definitely should contact Verizon and inform them that if they do not take action then we will have no option but to rangeblock them, I strongly suspect that the adverse PR which would attach to that would be sufficient even for them, but I guess it depends on which Verizon business unit we're dealing with and at what level. I had the devil's own job getting a major outage sorted, but our man in the States called the VP of Verizon global customer services on his cell (at his barbecue at home) and there was an engineer on site 15 minutes later. Maybe Jimbo can make the call if I get him cell number :-)

Anyway, it's not clear to me what change ArbCom can make here, irritating though this vandal undoubtedly is. Guy (Help!) 23:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Statement by SirFozzie

I mostly agree with Guy. On Wiki activity such as rangeblocks will be of limited use, he already recruits folks to do his dirty work on various messageboards and the like. Any action to be taken can be STARTED with rangeblocks at the EN-Wiki level, but probably either ArbCom or various OFFICE members will have to recommend to the Foundation that certain actions be taken at the Foundation level to minimize the disruption of this persistent troll. SirFozzie (talk) 00:18, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Statement by Jéské Couriano

Didn't it mention on Jarlaxle's LTA page and at WP:BANNED that Jarlaxle was banned Wikimedia-wide before? In any case, I think this may have to go to the Foundation level or directly to his (apparently largely-clueless) ISP; Jarlaxle's been using SUL to impersonate and harass other users. I don't think a rangeblock will work too well; he's been using open proxies, as far as I am aware. -Jéské Couriano ^{(v^_^v)} 23:10, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

ADDENDUM) Is Verizon a member of the BBB in Jarlaxle's area? If they are, we can put pressure on the BBB to cut off Jarlaxle, as happened with Mmbabies. -Jéské Couriano ^{(v^_^v)} 23:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Statement by Durova

WP:DENY occasionally fails as a solution strategy. This is one of those times. Recommend ArbCom consider a formal complaint to the user's ISP, since the behavior obviously exceeds the boundaries of any normal terms of service. Persistent disruption has become a drain on volunteer morale. If ArbCom determines such action is outside its remit, then a formal recommendation of similar action to WMF would be in order. Respectfully, Durova^Charge! 21:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Arbitrator views and discussion

• The Arbitration Committee is aware of this problem. Obviously, in terms of traditional arbitration or community remedies, we are maxed out here—JarlaxleArtemis a/k/a Grawp is clearly as banned as a user can be. There has been some internal discussion of possible steps that could be taken beyond that, which I am sure will continue, and we will report to the community if at any point we have anything useful to add. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:31, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
• Confirming that ArbCom is aware of the problem and we have discussed whether ArbCom should be involved in taking further steps, and if not us, who if anyone should. FloNight♥♥♥ 14:04, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
• There is, at this time, very little that ArbCom could be doing directly in this matter. We are, nonetheless, examining ways ArbCom or the Foundation could help alleviate the problem. — Coren ^(talk) 15:47, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
• Nothing more to add, but noting here that I've been following the wiki-en-l mailing list discussion and participating in the internal ArbCom discussions. Some co-ordinated approach is needed for these types of problems, and hopefully something will emerge from the discussions. Carcharoth (talk) 04:46, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
• Decline - Grawp's a bit outside the scope of a finding at arbitration, don't you think? Such action as exists will happen whether or not a formal RFAR existed, and a formal RFAR would add nothing to it. A reasonable request, but Grawp is the kind of user that further RFAR's are not going to add anything. Discussion will happen regardless. FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 03:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
• Decline - The Arbitration Committee is aware of the issues, as is the WMF. It is outside this committee's remit to contact service providers. It's clear that the community has easily reached a conclusion that Grawp and his socks are not welcome here, rendering any RFAR moot. Risker (talk) 00:22, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

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