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Jews - Origin section[edit]

Editors involved in this dispute
  1. Siefert (talk · contribs) – filing party
  2. Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs)
  3. Debresser (talk · contribs)
  4. DavidAFalk (talk · contribs)
  5. NeilN (talk · contribs)
  6. moxy (talk · contribs)
  7. Jytdog (talk · contribs)
  8. Doug Weller (talk · contribs)
  9. Tgeorgescu (talk · contribs)
Articles affected by this dispute
  1. Jews (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
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Issues to be mediated[edit]

Primary issues (added by the filing party)
  1. Several editors have reverted fully referenced, valid editing of the status of current knowledge on the origin of the Jews. As far as I can tell they have no expertise in the field other than personal interest and desire to limit the article to what they believe the state of the field entails. (This same group of editors have very similar tactics that are being used on several pages that involve information about Jewish history, archaeological theory on Jewish history etc). On the other hand I am a PhD academic with over 20 years of experience and have read all of the literature that I have cited. I am in contact with a number of scholars who hold the opinion that these editors refuse to allow on the page as well as scholars who are more moderate in their interpretations on the topic. One scholar who holds the unallowed interpretation (DavidAFalk) tried to enter the discussion on the talk page and was actually told that he did not know what he was talking about, by an editor who admitted that he had not read any of the relevant references being offered for improvement for a NPOV. (He also suggested that no one reading my edits should assume that I had correctly summarized the material, admitting that he had read none of what I had referenced.) Another editor has gone so far as to request investigation of me for sock puppetry because I have similar complaints and discussions with another user, Korvex. This charge was brought forward based on our common complaint that articles that these editors are monitoring is not representative of Wikipedia's NPOV policy. This same editor actually stated that we should be investigated because both are "involved in articles pertaining to the history of Ancient Israel, both users push a maximalist (read: either fundamentalist or conservative evangelical) standpoint". This statement is of course discrimination on his part based on what he perceives is a religious affiliation. This has legal implications for him. These same editors are deliberately removing valid, current status of the field, text over and over again, disregarding any and all attempts on my part to comply with each 'suggestion' they have made. Over two months time they have asked me to discuss on the talk page, then complained because I discussed at too much length on the talk page, most recently 'warning' me of this. Although the sock puppetry claim was closed with no action, it was brought up again today by one of the editors at which time, disregarding all of the discussion on the talk page, he/she removed my edits, stating they were POV. This is bizarre. MY edits provide both POV that are currently part of the field, which creates a NPOV document, rather than the single POV that the reverting editors insist upon. These editors have They are deleting the very text that provides NPOV, I can only assume without even reading it. To make matters very much worse, these editors appear to have no responsibility to reference their own claims or offer proof that their edits (in this case, reversions) are valid. They certainly do not seem to feel that they have any responsibility to verify their editorializing which in this case, after 2 months, is more bullying than scholarly. Or as legal counsel who I have spoken to observes, smacks of anti-Semitism. These editors either have no working knowledge of the Jews origins as it relates to archaeology or worse, they have some sort of agenda that clearly goes against Wikipedia's stated policies. SO PLEASE, please escalate this to editors who are indeed neutral and seek to have Wikipedia articles provide real scholarly content, one that is not colored by agenda, religious intolerance, bias, or lack of expertise.
Additional issues (added by other parties)
  • Additional issue 1
  • Additional issue 2

Parties' agreement to mediation[edit]

  1. Agree. Siefert (talk) 22:22, 17 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Disagree. ...as there is no debate.... clear consensus by the vast majority of participants that the text and sources are problematic.--Moxy (talk) 23:25, 17 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Agree with Moxy, see [1]. Tgeorgescu (talk) 23:45, 17 March 2017 (UTC) Also wish to remind the OP of WP:NLT. Tgeorgescu (talk) 23:48, 17 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Decision of the Mediation Committee[edit]