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List of Liechtenstein general elections[edit]

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Nominator(s): TheBritinator (talk) 16:11, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this article that I created to be of high quality and I would like to nominate it for FL. It is quite simple, but I believe it explains the topic well inline with contemporary lists. TheBritinator (talk) 16:11, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MPGuy2824
  • No list should start with "This is a list of". It might be better if the current second paragraph is moved to the top.
  • "Elections in Liechtenstein have been held since the ratification of the 1862 constitution in with the Landtag was of Liechtenstein was established for the first time." Needs grammar fixes to be intelligible.
  • I don't understand the color system in the table. Why does the color of the winning party bleed on to the date cell of the next election too?
  • You can consider using the Template:Party name with color template for the political party cell in the table. The other columns don't need the color.
  • Is the monarch column very relevant to this table? Same for the date column.
  • Only slightly relevant to this FLC, but please create a stub atleast for Karl Freiherr Haus von Hausen.
  • Is the phrase "(during term)" in the PM column necessary?
  • The notes for the graph should be in its caption.
  • "First election to use 25 Landtag seats instead of 15." to "First election to have 25 Landtag seats instead of 15."
  • Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
    • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
    • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. !rowspan=2|Season becomes !scope=col rowspan=2|Season. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
    • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear.
  • The last three are PresN's standard comments. That's all I have for now. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 01:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Alright I believe I have (at least started to) addressed this issue pointed out. As you have pointed out with the monarch and date it may not be necessary, though I would be a proponent of keeping the date(s) as I believe it's better structures the table given that some elections have taken place in the same year. That being said, I have replaced the monarch column with a reference one instead as recommended by @RunningTiger123, these are the sources from the main election article. TheBritinator (talk) 15:37, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Still need colscopes. --PresN 16:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Take another look. TheBritinator (talk) 19:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The elections in the same years are disambiguated by month names in the election column already.
    • I still don't understand the color system in the table. Why does the color of the winning party bleed on to the date cell of the next election too?
    • Please see my earlier comment about using Party name with color. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Design choice by myself. The idea is to show the ruling party at the time of the election. Could be removed, though. TheBritinator (talk) 21:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      @MPGuy2824 I wanted to use party name with color, but I'm not entirely sure how it works nor if it really fits with the design choice I have made with the table. I would swap it if I could. TheBritinator (talk) 13:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • The color of the previous winning party bleeding into the next election's row was quite confusing. It's good that you removed it.
      • If you want to see the template that I suggested in action look at Sangha Assembly constituency#Members of the Legislative Assembly. With the colors that you are stuck with, MOS:CONTRAST is an issue (as pointed out below by RunningTiger123).
      • Additionally, consider centering the references column to see if you like the look better. Not a showstopper though. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 15:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Centred. I have taken another look and I'm still unsure about the template, when I try to use it it appears to bleed the colour and party name as a new column, not sure how I am supposed to produce the result on the article you referenced. Thanks TheBritinator (talk) 16:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Alright, I see you have done that yourself, thanks. Is there anything else? TheBritinator (talk) 16:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Sorry, I was off-wiki for a few days. Please ping reviewers when you respond, as few FL reviewers watchlist a review page where they aren't the nominator. A few more nitpicks:
        1. Lately I've seen reviewers ask that numbers in table be right-aligned. This is specifically related to the "seat majority" column. It isn't as important for the "winning vote share" column, but you could do it anyway for consistency.
        2. "Political parties did not exist in Liechtenstein until 1918 and before the ratification of the 1921 constitution the head of government was not elected but rather appointed by the prince of Liechtenstein, thus elections were only held to elect members of the Landtag." is quite a complicated sentence. Consider splitting it.
        3. Not a deal breaker, but you could just say "Prime Minister" instead of "Elected prime minister" in the table header.
        4. Regarding your "This is a list of " problem (mentioned in another reviewer's section below). You could remove the sentence completely and mention the fact that "the members of the Landtag of Liechtenstein then elect the prime minister of Liechtenstein" elsewhere in the lead. If you aren't able to find more content for the (now shortened) second paragraph, then merge the remaining sentence with the first paragraph. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        @MPGuy2824 Done. I also merged some cells. TheBritinator (talk) 14:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Support promotion. There is now no need for the party key, since the colors are right next to the party abbreviations. I suggest that you remove it. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Done. TheBritinator (talk) 21:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by RunningTiger123
  • Agree with all of the above comments
  • "elections for the members of the Landtag of Liechtenstein and Prime Minister of Liechtenstein" – but the PM isn't directly elected, right? The elections only select the Landtag representatives; those representatives then elect the PM.
    • Same idea for "Elected prime minister (during term)" in column header – just say "Prime minister"
  • No need for empty lines in the "Political parties" section (just leads to unnecessary gaps)
  • Don't add bold text in markup for table headers (MediaWiki adds bold text automatically)
  • Images need alt text
  • I'm having a hard time checking because the colors include an alpha value, but I don't think the background cell colors meet MOS:COLOR. There must be a contrast ratio of at least 4.5:1 between the text and background colors.
  • "30 September 1914 – 2 October 1914" – no need to state year twice
  • Perhaps the most critical part – what's your source for any of the election results???

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:41, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remaining items I see:
  • Missing comma after "(green)" in image caption
  • Image description page still lacks sources
  • A key for the party abbreviations would help – I wouldn't mind if you put it in the image caption, e.g., Progressive Citizens' Party (FBP, blue)
— RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RunningTiger123 Done. Looks good to you? TheBritinator (talk) 16:12, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support – RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TheBritinator There are some unaddressed comments here for over a month; do you intend to respond to them? MPGuy2824 Do you intend to return to your review to close it out? --PresN 02:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May you please be more specific on what comments need to be adressed? TheBritinator (talk) 04:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PCN02WPS[edit]

  • "was established for the first time" → reads as redundant to me
  • "and before the ratification 1921 constitution" → missing word
  • "the reigning prince of Liechtenstein" → is "reigning" necessary
  • Recommend breaking up the second sentence of the first paragraph, it's a little long
  • "This is a list of Liechtenstein" → I'm not a huge fan of this composition ("This is a list of...") - I think it would be better to take what's in parentheses and make that the focal point of the sentence/paragraph
  • "elect the Prime Minister of Liechtenstein" → remove caps from PM
  • "before in 1988 a successful referendum was held" → ungrammatical
  • "increased the seats to 25" → perhaps "increased the number of seats to 25"?
  • Is "(1862–present)" necessary in the subsection title
  • Recommend using {{sfn}} so that the Nohlen/Stover reference is not duplicated five times

That's what I've got. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 22:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. TheBritinator (talk) 13:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A couple more points on second read-through:
  • Landtag is linked in both the first and second paragraphs
  • "...of Liechtenstein" gets a little repetitive in the second paragraph, could shorten to "...the prime minister)", for example
  • Still not a huge fan of "This is a list of..." - this format (while not the first sentence) is explicitly discouraged by MOS:THISISALIST
  • "before in 1988 a referendum was held" → still not grammatical (maybe "before a 1988 referendum that increased...")
  • Vogt 1987 shows up in the references and bibliography - guessing that is because his full name is entered as just his last name. Recommend using |author-link= to add a link to his page
  • Notes 1 and 3 aren't complete sentences and therefore do not require full stops
PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. What would you recommend instead of "This is a list of..."? Thanks. TheBritinator (talk) 22:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy ping for RunningTiger123 and PCN02WPS. --PresN 13:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping, been off-wiki for a bit. Here's what I've got on third read-through:

  • "Political parties did not exist in Liechtenstein until 1918" → if the first one was established in 1918, might be helpful to mention it here
  • "Before the ratification of the 1921 constitution the head of government" → comma after "constitution" would be good
  • "Under the 1921 constitution general elections are held" → ditto for "constitution" here
  • "who then elect the prime minister of Liechtenstein" → I still think "of Liechtenstein" is unneeded here; it's abundantly clear what country we're talking about so I don't think "the prime minister" is ambiguous
  • "The initial number of seats of the Landtag was set at 15" → I think this would sound better if it were simplified (e.g. "The Landtag had 15 seats until..."), since the referendum didn't change the initial amount of seats, just the current number at that time.
  • Issue with Vogt citation still remains

PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PCN02WPS Done. Looks good to you? TheBritinator (talk) 16:07, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still one comma missing (the third bullet point in the last list) but I won't hold it up only for that. Happy to support. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 16:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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