Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Welcome to the Jungle (2024 film)

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The result was no consensus‎. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:03, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Jungle (2024 film)[edit]

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Fails WP:NFILM. Scheduled for December 2024, filming just began, everything is announcements or WP:NEWSORGINDIA so fails WP:GNG as well. Case of WP:TOOSOON. I see it was deleted in September of last year but cannot see the log to determine the reason. CNMall41 (talk) 21:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and India. CNMall41 (talk) 21:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. CNMall41 (talk) 21:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. It is too soon for this article as its still in production stage where there is possibility of many changes and nothing could be considered definite till it reaches post-production stage. I will say that move the article back to draft for now.RangersRus (talk) 02:43, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think draftify is normally a good WP:ATD and often move them myself. I am wondering if you think it is best in this case given the number of SOCKS that are constantly moving them back to mainspace? I've tried many times in the past and we always wind up right back here unfortunately. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:50, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This case I would say its appropriate to Delete but as an alternative, keeping the page on watchlist and reporting sock that tries to move page from draft to namespace is another option. RangersRus (talk) 03:04, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's good perspective. Either way will be work I guess. Thanks. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:16, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep. While the coverage is mostly routine, there is a lot of it. Hollywood films of similar magnitude are generally kept once filming has begun, so I can't in good conscience say delete. Eluchil404 (talk) 02:53, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I will take a look at the references if you can point out the ones that are not press or churnalism or fall under NEWSORGINDIA. I am also curious how to judge "magnitude" if you can clarify. Maybe there is something I am overlooking. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:56, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have high confidence in my ability to judge the reliability of Indian sources given the very real concerns expressed in NEWSORGINDIA and the prevalence of churnalism in entertainment media generally. [1] [2] [3] and [4] all look to have involved at least some editorial rewriting though the ultimate sources are mostly PR pieces or social media posts. As for "magnitude" it is an admittedly subjective measure. What I actually did was observe that this is a sequel to Welcome Back (film) which came out in 2015. A quick search for 2015 Indian box office shows that Welcome Back was a top ten film in that market. Pages for Hollywood films that are sequels to top ten films are routinely created and kept once principal photography has begun based on coverage of similar depth (i.e. regurgitations of title, cast, and crew announcements). The sources I referenced above don't show a huge amount of editorial shaping and what they do have might be a purely stylistic to create an illusion of neutrality but they aren't what I would call "trivial" (i.e. one paragraph notices, or literal copies of press materials). I don't feel strongly about Welcome to the Jungle (2024 film) in particular (hence the week keep), but I do feel strongly that in so far as sourcing makes it possible we treat big budget Bollywood films the same as big Hollywood ones. In particular, the coverage that usually separates a film that gets an article at the start of filming and one that gets one on release is mostly routine coverage of production news such as casting that is 100% based on studio PR. Big films get their announcements covered and small ones don't. That is, as far as I can tell, the de facto notability standard and more or less what WP:NFILM says. Eluchil404 (talk) 01:12, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the in-depth response. Your "magnitude" explanation makes sense. And, note that Bollywood Films should always be treated with the same "rule of thumb" as all film industries. I have actually seen some recently thanks to living in a large enough city. However, they should also be treated with the same "notability" standards. I will do a full source assessment later today and post for everyone. Hopefully that will provide some clarify. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

weak keep -per Eluchil404 ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 05:46, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Actual analysis of the source material about this subject would be very helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:55, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NotAGenious (talk) 06:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note - Page creator is now a confirmed SOCK. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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