Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walter Brewer

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The result was delete‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:54, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Brewer[edit]

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Reads like a family history project, no indication of passing WP:GNG? Theroadislong (talk) 17:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Theroadislong (talk) 17:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GNG As background, Sandy Hook Pilots were some of the most important pilots in American naval history. Multiple reliable sources confirm Brewer played a key role in the early days of the Sandy Hook Pilots Association and the formation of the Sandy Hook Pilot Boat company. The following secondary sources support his notability.
Russell, Charles Edward (1929). From Sandy Hook to 62°. New York: Century Co. p. 114. OCLC 3804485.
Allen, Edward L. (1922). Pilot Lore From sail to Steam. New York: The United New York and New Jersey Sandy Hook Pilots Benevolent Associations. p. 38.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Greghenderson2006 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep since GNG and coverage exist. Agree with GregHenderson. The sources support the notability. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:32, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I see you also wrote both articles Sandy Hook Pilots and Sandy Hook Pilots Association he is not mentioned in either of them? Theroadislong (talk) 17:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Brewer is not mentioned in the source [1]? Theroadislong (talk) 17:39, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Based on an in-depth analysis of the sources. I am not understanding what this person is supposedly notable for. He was born, he was part-owner of three boats, a boat pilot, he started an organization with four others pilots, none of which inherently confers notability. He then got married, had children who had children, then died. The vast lion’s share of the article is not about him at all, but about the boats that he partially owned,. At first glance this looks like a well-sourced article, but it is pieced together with bits of trivia about him, and many sources that do not mention him at all. A source analysis table is offered below. If it is collapsed, click on "show" on the right hand side. My comment continues below the table.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-brooklyn-daily-eagle-obituary/81000252/	Death announcement - probably placed by the family as it mentions the funeral is at his daughter's house	in a newspaper	death announcement, no editorial content	✘ No
https://www.google.com/books/edition/From_Sandy_Hook_to_62_̊/7KBOAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1	published book		Does not mention him at all	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-brooklyn-daily-eagle-duncuff/81003880/	death announcent for his grandson, likely placed by family	newspaper	It only mentions that Walter Brewer was his grandfather, no editorial coverage.	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-brooklyn-daily-eagle-death/81003478/	Death announcement for his wife, probably placed by family	newspaper	It only mentions that she was married to Walter Brewer, no editorial content	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-new-york-times-went-ashore/75223840/	newspaper	NYTimes	Short press statement that he was a 1/6th owner of a boat that crashed - name check only	✘ No
https://archive.org/details/pilotlorefromsai00unit/page/38/mode/2up?q=Virginia	book published by the Sandy Hook Pilots Association	~	Does not mention him at all, only a boat he partially owned that crashed	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/article/new-york-daily-herald-wm-h-aspinwall/72622612/		newspaper	Short press release about the launch of a boat he partially owned, name check only	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/article/new-york-tribune-wreck/72624076/		newspaper	Doesn't mention him at all, it's a press release about a boat wreck	✘ No
https://research.mysticseaport.org/item/l0179721877/	shipping record	shipping record	A search does not find his name; maritime shipping record	✘ No
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Annual_Report_of_the_Operations_of_the_U/HIEDAAAAYAAJ?hl=en	published book	Gov't printing office	Does not mention him at all, only the mention of a boat he partially owned that wrecked	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/20464636/	? unverifiable - not sure if this is an ad, an announcement or an article - I couldn't find it in a search	NY Times	? unverifiable, but seems like an announcement for a meeting	? Unknown
https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83016025/1880-10-25/ed-1/seq-4/#date1=1880&index=1&date2=1881&searchType=advanced&language=&sequence=0&words=America+boat+pilot&proxdistance=5&state=&rows=20&ortext=&proxtext=&phrasetext=pilot+boat+America&andtext=&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1	newspaper		Does not mention him at all	✘ No
https://research.mysticseaport.org/item/l0179721900/	shipping record	shipping record	Does not mention him at all	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-new-york-times-leahy/81037234/	newspaper	newspaper	Name check only, he was one of many who inspected a boat	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-world-charitable-fund/81037050/	newspaper		Name check only, stating he was secretary of his organization	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-brooklyn-daily-eagle-sandy-hook-pilo/81014483/	Newspaper		Press release that he is 1/5th owner of a company - standard incorporation announcement	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/article/new-york-tribune-combine/81030358/	newpaper		short article on incorporation and some controversy related to it, that mentions him in a name check.	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/article/-pilots/81031012/	newspaper		Article about the controvercy surrounding the company he partially owned, does not mention him by name	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/article/new-york-daily-herald-fees/81035772/	newspaper		Article on the organization controversy, a single name-check only as one of the partners.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

This seems like a clear WP:GNG fail to me. If you actually read the sources in the source assessment chart they are all trivial mentions, don't mention him at all and are about other people or boats he partially owned, or the controversy surrounding an organization in which he was a secretary. Also seems like WP:SYNTH. Netherzone (talk) 18:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nomination and the source analysis from Netherzone, does not pass WP:GNG. Note, there was some previous discussion of a group of articles like this, see Template talk:List of Sea Captains and Pilots where this article is one of a small number remaining that does not have a reason for notability listed, nor has been deleted. Melcous (talk) 23:00, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am a hearty inclusionist, but I do not see a valid case for notability here.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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