Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tristram Whitman

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete all. --Akhilleus (talk) 16:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tristram Whitman[edit]

Non-notable footballer; never played in the Football League. Mattythewhite 18:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same reason:

Delete all - nominator appears to be correct, there's nothing else special about these guys, hence non-notable. - fchd 18:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Daemonic Kangaroo 19:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Delete all three - as per nomination. Daemonic Kangaroo 19:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Whitman, Delete O'Connor & Kedwell - Whitman played for Doncaster Rovers, an English league team (and should therefore be notable, but correct me if I'm wrong!), other two never played league football. GiantSnowman 20:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Appearences for Doncaster were in Conference. Mattythewhite 20:38, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Whitman appears to barely make the grade - his last appearance with Donny Rovers was in November 2003, just after they'd won promotion to the Football League again. It would be good to confirm any actual League appearances that autumn before he returned to non-league football. -- BPMullins | Talk 20:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Rothmans annual shows no appearences for Doncaster after their return to the League. In fact the article and the Soccerbase page (not that that site is that reliable in my opinion), show he was already on loan at a non-league club. - fchd 21:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then, delete all three. (Thx - no Rothman's handy over here.) -- BPMullins | Talk 22:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all three. None of them is notable. Having played for a team in the third English division is a far cry from any notability. JdeJ 21:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well.. third division is well in notability. All the way down to fourth is. Mattythewhite 21:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's a matter of opinion. A "normal" encyclopedia would only note major world players like Messi, Ronaldinho, Zidane. Wikipedia is of course much wider but I don't see how a player who has never played is the highest league in any country is a notable player in any way. JdeJ 21:21, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its not a matter of opinion. If you have played in a professional league, such as Englands The Football League, which is down to the fourth tier, a player has notability for a Wikipedia article. Mattythewhite 21:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is that an official guideline? If so, where can I find it? JdeJ 21:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure it is.. try looking at WP:N. Mattythewhite 21:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's at WP:BIO, notability of athletes; "Competitors who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming or tennis" This makes any player who has played in the top four divisions of English football notable. (These three don't appear to meet this, so Delete, by the way).EliminatorJR ^Talk 21:59, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed whilst it might be a matter of opinion whether or not the WP:BIO policy is stringent enough, the fact is that it does exist and it is policy..... 07:57, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Can someone with a Rothmans have a look to see if Danny Knowles ever played for Gillingham? If not, he could be added to this Grays Athletic-themed AfD as well. EliminatorJR ^Talk 22:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I don't have a "Rothmans" but www.allfootballers.com does not show a Danny Knowles as having ever played for Gillingham so he should be an AfD as well. Daemonic Kangaroo 04:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking as a Gills fan, I can confirm that Danny Knowles was on the books but never made it to the first team. As I was once taken to task by another user for saying "I know this because I support the team" in an AfD, I should point out that Neil Brown's site and Soccerbase support the statement..... ChrisTheDude 07:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note I've added Danny Knowles to this AfD. EliminatorJR ^Talk 00:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all four. None have played in a fully-pro league, and all are currently at a club which isn't in a fully-pro league. slυмgυм [ ←→ ] 13:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.