Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Moorings, New York

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Result was Keep. — Caknuck 16:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Moorings, New York[edit]

There is nothing significant or relevant enough about the Moorings that it should have a page Saneno 21:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC) — Saneno (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep This is an extremely exclusive upper-class gated community of a few dozen homes in an already wealthy part of Long Island. There were no real refs, but I added two from the NY Times, that confirm the information in the article.DGG 00:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per DGG and the references they added. And I just notice that this AfD is the nom's very first edit. [1] --Oakshade 07:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Two small articles in 10 years do not make this area noteworthy. Delete or integrate it into another article on Long Island. It is only a few dozen homes on a couple of streets. No need for its own article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.192.11.135 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 11 June 2007 — 72.192.11.135 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Actually being the subject of 2 small articles, particularly if they include something like The New York Times, do demonstrate notability per WP:N. There's too much topic specific content in this article to be merged to the already long Long Island article. --Oakshade 16:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This not applied universally. Just because there were articles does not automatically make it notable. See the discussion of Allison Stokke. Even though she was on the front page of the Washington Post among other newspapers. It was decided that she was not notable enough for a wiki entry

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 12:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Moorings as other guard-gated communities have a place on Wikipedia. After all there is a Catergory Page with lists of many US guard-grated communities and if The Moorings is removed, what protects the rest? Refer to Harry Havemeyer's book Along the Great South Bay for more information on the topic. Long Island's South Shore has faced a wave a regeneration from time to time and area in which The Moorings exists is particularly significant. It was home to H. B. Hollins, a famed Wall Street Banker. In the fall of Hollin's firm, he subdivided the property and sold it off to Charles Lanier Lawrence.--24.186.83.117 14:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't remove the AfD tag from the article when the AfD is still running. I trust you did it in good faith, but this can be seen as serious disruption. Malc82 21:33, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As per above. Just looked it up on VisualEarth, it seems clearly notable enough for an article. Apart from that, since current consensus on WP is that every settlement deserves an article I would also include every neighborhood and every gated community. Malc82 21:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would not like to be interpreted as advocating that. Gated communities are not inherently more notable than other real estate developments, unless they receive significant coverage--as some do. Nor is everything that is called a "neighborhood" by a real estate agent. We should always want more documentation than just advertisements. This one has it, DGG 00:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Look at List of Manhattan neighborhoods and countless others to see what I meant by neighborhood. While some of them may be the brainchild of real estate agents, they usually are notable. Gated communities, as the name suggests, are usually not very integrated with the surrounding locations, so they kind of form a settlement of their own. Malc82 07:54, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The Moorings, New York is significant in the New York Society as the land was originally owned by a prominent family of New York Society, J. Mainwaring. Eventually, the Mainwaring family later sold the estate to the family of Harry Hollins, a prominent New York investment banker and a notable family in the Anglo-American Aristocracy. During the demise of H.B. Hollins & Co, the banking firm which Hollins formed, his estate was subdivided and sold to Charles Lawrance. The Lawrance family was also world renowned, Charles himself for architecture marvels (a graduate of Ecole de Beaux Arts) and for major aviation contributions. He invented and perfected the Wright Whirlwind engine which was utilized by the most famous of aviators including Amelia Earnhart and Admiral Richard Byrd. After Lawrance's death the estate once again was sold and subdivided with the intention to maintain a level of affluence. Advertisements in every publication catering to Long Island and New York's wealth mentioned the formation of this community. It highlighted its previous notable owners and boasted its creator’s vision. The Moorings was able to attract very prominent families who desired to live in lavious homes behind a veil of privacy and security. However, this former estate is important in the history of Long Island and the once tony South Shore. The Moorings epitomizes wealth and opulence, an ideal the South Shore was once known for. And although the homes are no where as elaborate as the 30,000sq foot estates of days before it is still an icon to the past. Yet, its seclusion leads to it being unnoticed and leaves this ideal of wealth to be forgotten.--LongIslander 22:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.