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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 00:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Substereo[edit]

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No indication of signifcance. Fails WP:NBAND. Refs are release news, social links and PR. scope_creepTalk 18:26, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

'Hang on' tag added due to false claim of missing indication of significance.
Adherence to 'Criteria for musicians and ensembles' as noted on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music) as follows:
- Subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources from Reflist : [5](Newspaper), [6](blog), [7](newspaper), [12](Newspaper], [15](university article) etc..
- Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart. As indicated by ref. [12], [2], [4], and [13] (itunes rock charts Denmark).
- Has won multiple awards for music videos a referenced.
- Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or television network. Ref [10]
Some of the independent links (news sources etc.) are dead but cannot be expected to be active after 10 years.
Notability is referenced in accordance with guidelines Tarajameson79 (talk) 12:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - This article, and the editor above, confuses the accomplishments of the band with those of one member, Chris Angel Walker. The lengthy list of awards at the bottom of the article are all for films and were received by Walker in his other career as a video director. Most of those awards are themselves non-notable and do not qualify as "significant" awards per WP:ANYBIO, even if they were relevant for the band which they're not. As for the band, I can find nothing reliable and significant about them, and the article is dependent on press releases listing their presence at various events or their own promotional statements. Finally, per WP:CHART their placement in a regional iTunes chart does not count for notability. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:21, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The festivals mentioned are directed by Chris Angel Walker but the works are listed as Substereo.
    The article, as mentioned above is not reliant on press releases, but rather news articles, interviews and blogs. The fact that these are is not grounds for exclusion. Tarajameson79 (talk) 14:38, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Simply by looking at the names of the sources at the bottom of the article, only one (#17 from France) comes anywhere close to "news" and even that's a bit of a stretch. Also, per WP:UGC blogs are not reliable sources, and per WP:INTERVIEWS an interview should be independent and investigative. You also have a serious issue with dead links as sources, which accomplish nothing for the article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:49, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is inaccurate. Ugeavisen, Midsjællands avis, TV2 are examples of independent and legitimate news sources.
Articles from 2013 cannot be expected to be maintained as these are archived after a certain number of years. Tarajameson79 (talk) 14:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't verify a single one of these reference against WP:MUSICRS. Obviously many are social media, blog links stuff like that, which are not reliable sources. But, I couldn't find anything on social media to support the band. Usually if they are popular its imediately visible. This ref url for example, [1] has 70-odd views. Its not a valid source. These is nothing on the streaming sites. Sometimes you can look and you can guage how popular the band is and that give you approval to find more valid sources with the assumption there should be something there. But there is nothing there. It is non-notable. scope_creepTalk 19:21, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of the listings on WP:MUSICRS are from Denmark. TV2 is one of the main national broadcasting stations. Verifying references against a list that only features a handful of countries is not comprehensive and extremely exclusive. Even excluding Denmark from that list is questionable. As mentioned on WP:MUSICRS itself: "This list is merely a collection of suggestions".
The references are valid, they are from actual newspapers that were published in physical form as well as in digital format. To claim that anything that is old should be deleted from wikipedia simply because those sources aren't available anymore would only allow currently popular projects to be featured as valid information.
Amount of views are also not a requirement, and that being said, the channel you mention has 143,382 views.
The claim that there is nothing on streaming sites is also inaccurate, as the references clearly show, the band has has a streaming platform presence since 2013. Not all ref sources are necessary, but all the necessary sources from newspapers and independent media are listed as required.
You cannot simply delete a project because it is not 'currently' popular. Tarajameson79 (talk) 22:07, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Correction, the Substereo channel has 143,382 views, not the subtalks channel. Although views are still irrelevant to the topic matter.
Tarajameson79 (talk) 22:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tarajameson79: The normal practice on WP:AFD is to post up WP:THREE references that prove the article is notable. Three references is the standard. If you have three good secondary references, please post them up. Hearsay and viewing numbers don't count here, unless its backed backed by a valid reference. scope_creepTalk 07:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 02:10, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:29, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - I question why this keeps getting relisted, as there is only one true vote (by me) and that is to delete, and the article's supporter has made comments to the contrary but the nominator has debunked them quite convincingly with policy-based rebuttals. Articles are often soft-deleted for less than this. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why its been relisted either. There is nothing here. scope_creepTalk 16:33, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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