Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Somali Patriotic Movement

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:45, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Somali Patriotic Movement[edit]

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Duplicate page of Somali National Movement just incomprehensible. Same names of orgs in Somali. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 19:39, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military, Politics, and Africa. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 19:39, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I also have serious WP:COMPETENCY concerns about the editor working on this, evident by them adding their article to the deletion discussion page. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 19:49, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have reverted Grozny77 (talk · contribs)'s attempt to duplicate the article in the nomination page. No opinion at this time. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep AfD is not cleanup. The Somali Patriotic Movement was a distinct southern grouping that was part of the coalition that overthrew the Barre regime in 1991. There's ample sourcing available.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]

References

^ Ahmed Ali, Fatuma (2022). "The Somali National Movement Engineering self-determination of Somaliland". In Bach, Jean-Nicolas (ed.). Routledge handbook of the Horn of Africa. London New York: Routledge, Taylor & Francis Group. pp. 89–97. ISBN 9780429426957. However, it is believed that these suppressive efforts by Barre's regime did not stop the SNM from waging its armed resistance in northern Somalia, but it is also made it see the opportunity to support other clan-based rebel groups to take up arms against the regime. These included the United Somali Congress (USC) and the Somali Patriotic Movement (SPM) supported respectively by the Hawiye and the Ogaden clans. (p.93)
^ Hunter, Brian (1993). "Somalia". In Hunter, Brian (ed.). The Statesman’s Year-Book. London: Palgrave Macmillan. pp. 1181–1183. doi:10.1057/9780230271227_160. ISBN 9780230271227. After 12 years of civil war involving 5 factions, prominent amongst them the United Somali Congress (USC), the Somali National Movement (SNM) and the Somali Patriotic Movement (SPM), rebel forces had fought their way into Mogadishu by the end of 1990. (p.1181)
^ Mukhtar, Mohamed Haji (1996). "The plight of the Agro‐pastoral society of Somalia". Review of African Political Economy. 23 (70): 543–553. doi:10.1080/03056249608704222. The Somali Patriotic Movement, representing the Ogaden clan, operated in the Middle and Lower Juba valley (p.550)
^ Duursma, Allard (3 April 2022). "Non-state conflicts, peacekeeping, and the conclusion of local agreements". Peacebuilding. 10 (2): 138–155. doi:10.1080/21647259.2022.2032946. For example, following heavy fighting between the Somali Patriotic Movement (SPM) and the Somali Patriotic Movement/Somali National Alliance (SPM/SNA) in the Kismayo area, UNOSOM together with local clan elders mediated negotiations between the parties which led to the signing of the Jubbaland Peace Agreement on 6 August 1993. (p.153)
^ Osman, Abdulahi A. (2019). "The role of inequality in the collapse of the Somali State". Journal of Somali Studies. 6 (2): 51–74. ProQuest 2328867061. The Somali Patriotic Movement was an armed faction of the Ogaden, a sub-clan of Daarood clan. It was headed by Col. Mohamed Omar Jees, who was a great supporter and an ally of the late General Mohamed Aideed. (p.66)

There's clearly versions of the article in its history which do not include material copied from the Somali National Movement article. Given the editor responsible for the present problems is now blocked, simple reversion to a previous version of the article is possible, no TNT necessary here. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 09:31, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These seem to be passing mentions and not SIGCOV as required for orgs. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 16:16, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goldsztajn, which version do you propose restoring the article to? -- asilvering (talk) 03:05, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 01:00, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, the organization is completely different from the SNM and deleting the page for a historically significant armed movement (look it up, the SPM as one of the major rebel groups that overthrew Siad Barre) because some guy made dumb edits to the page isn't a good idea. It needs cleanup and additional sources added, not deletion. - presidentofyes, the super aussa man 03:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per the above arguments. Bulbajer (talk) 03:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[1] Ahmed Ali, Fatuma (2022). "The Somali National Movement Engineering self-determination of Somaliland". In Bach, Jean-Nicolas (ed.). Routledge handbook of the Horn of Africa. London New York: Routledge, Taylor & Francis Group. pp. 89–97. ISBN 9780429426957. However, it is believed that these suppressive efforts by Barre's regime did not stop the SNM from waging its armed resistance in northern Somalia, but it is also made it see the opportunity to support other clan-based rebel groups to take up arms against the regime. These included the United Somali Congress (USC) and the Somali Patriotic Movement (SPM) supported respectively by the Hawiye and the Ogaden clans. (p.93)

[2] Hunter, Brian (1993). "Somalia". In Hunter, Brian (ed.). The Statesman’s Year-Book. London: Palgrave Macmillan. pp. 1181–1183. doi:10.1057/9780230271227_160. ISBN 9780230271227. After 12 years of civil war involving 5 factions, prominent amongst them the United Somali Congress (USC), the Somali National Movement (SNM) and the Somali Patriotic Movement (SPM), rebel forces had fought their way into Mogadishu by the end of 1990. (p.1181)

[3] Mukhtar, Mohamed Haji (1996). "The plight of the Agro‐pastoral society of Somalia". Review of African Political Economy. 23 (70): 543–553. doi:10.1080/03056249608704222. The Somali Patriotic Movement, representing the Ogaden clan, operated in the Middle and Lower Juba valley (p.550)

[4] Duursma, Allard (3 April 2022). "Non-state conflicts, peacekeeping, and the conclusion of local agreements". Peacebuilding. 10 (2): 138–155. doi:10.1080/21647259.2022.2032946. For example, following heavy fighting between the Somali Patriotic Movement (SPM) and the Somali Patriotic Movement/Somali National Alliance (SPM/SNA) in the Kismayo area, UNOSOM together with local clan elders mediated negotiations between the parties which led to the signing of the Jubbaland Peace Agreement on 6 August 1993. (p.153)

[5] Osman, Abdulahi A. (2019). "The role of inequality in the collapse of the Somali State". Journal of Somali Studies. 6 (2): 51–74. ProQuest 2328867061. The Somali Patriotic Movement was an armed faction of the Ogaden, a sub-clan of Daarood clan. It was headed by Col. Mohamed Omar Jees, who was a great supporter and an ally of the late General Mohamed Aideed. (p.66)

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