Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Romanians of South Africa

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 00:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Romanians of South Africa

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No evidence that migration of Romanians to South Africa or the community today as a whole has been written about non-trivially by reliable sources. There are trivial mentions that confirm this community exists, but that's all I can find. I searched mostly in English with just some limited searches in Romanian because I don't speak it. If you do some searches in Romanian whether with positive or negative results, please mention the queries you used. Old proposed deletion in December 2007 removed by creator without improvement. Thanks, cab (talk) 04:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

List of Google searches

1. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- one article about a dance festival [1]
2. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- a bunch of hits of the form "..., Romanian, South African, ..."; nothing about Romanians in South Africa that I can see
3. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- two bulletin board threads discussing an individual Romanian winemaker who trained in South Africa
4. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
5. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
6. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
7. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
8. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
9. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
10. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
11. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- just discussion of the Romanian Embassy in Pretoria
12. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
13. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
14. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
15. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- trivial mention of the embassy

List of Google searches 2 because {{hidden}} breaks if it's all in one box

1. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
2. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- one article about a Romanian athlete who visited Cape Town for a competition [2]
3. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
4. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
5. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
6. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
7. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- passing mention from a Romanian government website that there's a "large" Romanian community in South Africa, with no discussion or even a population figure [3]
8. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- 97,000 hits, but most seem to be duplicates
9. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- a mention that Romanians and a bunch of other nationalities travel to South Africa for illegal organ transplant surgery [4] and that South Africa will open an embassy in Romania [5]
10. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- 15 trivial mentions of Romanian investors, Romanian tourists, Romanian lions, and the Romanian ambassador
11. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- nothing
12. Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL --- a trivial mention that representatives from the Romanian community of South Africa and several other countries were invited to a Romanian diaspora conference [6]
13. site:za "Romanian community", site:za "Romanian immigrants"; just gets hits about Romanians in other countries, not South Africa

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. cab (talk) 04:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. cab (talk) 04:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. cab (talk) 04:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

• Delete - after several searches in Romanian, all I found was this, saying there are 3,000 Romanians in South Africa. But: a) that's not a reliable source (the site isn't professionally edited, and has an agenda of promoting the Romanian diaspora, often inflating its numbers/significance) b) if all even they could say was a number, we clearly can't write an article on this subject. The present one appears to be original research. - Biruitorul ^Talk 05:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete. The size of the community alone makes it trivial. The sources that would establish notability haven't been shown to exist – and (almost certainly) don't exist in the first place. 9Nak (talk) 13:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete Fails notability. Edison (talk) 15:27, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

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