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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sr13 03:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nicknames for cigarettes[edit]

Nicknames for cigarettes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

An incomplete list, one without any real encyclopedic use, and one that will always remain incomplete. Jmlk17 05:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete after discussion I created this article as a stop-gap measure to end the edit wars going on in the first paragraph of Cigarette. I realize that this article is not encyclopedic, but something must be done to prevent the war from starting up again. I would support the deletion of this article, but only after a discussion to figure out a way to prevent an edit war in the Cigarette article. I beg all those involved to submit their ideas as to the best way to prevent this all from starting again at square-one. -- Nemilar 00:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think that including a colloquialism sentence in the 2nd or 3rd paragraph of the introduction that would include only the most common nicknames for cigarettes, (e.g. They are colloquially known as cigs, ciggies, coffin nails, cancer sticks, deathsticks, smokes, fags and maybe some others) would be a good idea, but everybody would have to agree not to remove it. Canjth 17:56, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's an idea, but it seems to me that it would only lead to a slew of edits over which nicknames 'deserve' to be mentioned and which ones aren't popular enough to be posted. Given the rate at which the nicknames article grew, I would imagine it becoming a problem. Do you think that an individual section in the Cigarette article would be better? Again, the problem is that it will grow into a similar list as the article we're discussing now. -- Nemilar 01:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • The Cigarette article is currently semi-protected, which would probably prevent most revert warring on the nicknames. When there was a sentence saying "They are colloquially known as...", it never got longer than 8-10 nicknames. A section would probably grow quite long which is why I wouldn't recommend it. Also, the problem on the article we are discussing now is that people added nicknames in other languages than English, and that many nicknames were listed in several countries, which is why it got very long. I don't think this would happen in a single sentence. The only problem with the sentence in the introduction was that users persisted to remove it. I think that if the Cigarette article remains semi-protected, a colloquialism sentence in the introduction would do the job. Canjth 15:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as nom. Jmlk17 05:32, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete-- does cite its sources, which is nice, but if nobody has said, "Wikipedia is not a Thesaurus", someone ought to. These aren't nicknames, but synonyms from slang, ranging from "coffin nails" to "stinky turds". A list of synonyms for being drunk would be a lot of fun also, but not really a great addition to Wikipedia. Put the information as a sidebar to the dictionary entry on cigarettes. Mandsford 11:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Mandsford; this is not exactly encyclopedic content. —Anas talk? 12:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete-This is essentially a list of dictionary definitions. Some of the referenced are from urbandictionary, and I doubt we can accept that as a reliable source. Wiktionary might like some of the ones with reliable sources.--Rossheth | Talk to me 12:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Wikipedia is not a dictionary.--Edtropolis 13:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep I have added references for these perfectly legitimate nicknames and I see no reason to delete them. Remember that wiki is not paper, so deleting articles because they are never going to be complete isn't a valid reason. It is encyclopedic to mention that people will often call a cigarette a cig, coffin nail, deathstick. etc... Also, before this page was created, the Cigarette article was very often edited to add/remove nicknames for cigarettes. Thuis is not a dictionart entry, these are legitimate nicknames for cigarettes that deserve their place on Wikipedia. Canjth 16:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Could you please explain why it is not encyclopedic to mention that people will often call a cigarette a coffin nail, deathstick, cancer stick, etc...? Many nicknames are mentioned on Wikipedia and do one tries to get them deleted. Canjth 17:56, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as an unencyclopedic directory of indiscriminate trivia. Urban Dictionary should not be considered as an attributable source (being user-submitted and voted). A prose article about generational nomenclature for cigarettes would be instead appropriate, drawing from attributable sources who have studied the history of smoking or a related field. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 18:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 10:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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