Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of titles of Harry Potter books in other languages (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. I voted keep and cleanup in the last AfD, and might have voted again this time, but the consensus to delete is pretty clear. Deathphoenix ʕ 14:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

List of titles of Harry Potter books in other languages

I have several reasons for nominating this.

1. First of all, most Harry Potter books have articles in many other wikis, so the titles of the books in other languages can be obtained there.
2. Second, I don't think Wikipedia should be in the business of having articles like this -- WP isn't babelfish.com and it isn't a dictionary either; I think this is unencyclopedic... I know Harry Potter is popular, but if we keep this it's a slippery slope. Occasionally, the translation of a book title is interesting, for instance, the German title of "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets" is translated as "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Fear", but (1) the article isn't about the interesting alternate titles, and (2) in any case, we have a good article on the translation of Harry Potter: Harry Potter in translation.
3. Third, this article suffers from a complete lack of sources; it's been a month since I added the {{unreferenced}} tag, and 3 since the first nomination, and no referencing has happened, nor any cleaning up.
4. Fourth, and perhaps most importantly, if the article were properly sourced, it would look suspiciously like original research, I think: unless someone ELSE has ever written an article or book about the translation of Harry Potter, we're going to be using entirely primary sources.

For all these reasons, delete. Mangojuice^talk 04:31, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Previous nominations VfD, 1st AfD

• Comment Per WP:NOR, there is nothing against creating an article based on primary sources per se. What it talks about that's not allowed is a Wikipedia article actually being a primary source. Of course, creating an article based entirely on primary sources causes some OR problems with some people. Morgan Wick 04:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

• This is true, and a good point. WP:OR says that in the case of an article that makes only descriptive claims that can be easily verified by any adult without specialist knowledge, an article can be based only on primary sources, implying that otherwise, articles should not be based only on primary sources. I think the other-language titles are probably okay, but most of the interest in the article is the translation back to English, and I certainly don't think, for instance, that someone could verify the back-translation of, say, a Chinese book title without knowing at least some Chinese. Mangojuice^talk 04:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. It's obivious a strong effort went into this, but this does not creat instant notability/worthiness of an article. It seems a little ridiculous, unnecessary, and excessive to have a list like this. Yanksox ^(talk) 04:41, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Wikipedia is not a indiscriminate collection of information. ' ^{(Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!)} 04:43, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I don't like to call into play the "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" clause, but it might apply here. Perhaps it could be merged to the Harry Potter page? I doubt it. AdamBiswanger1 05:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Why dump a ugly list onto a decent article? ' ^{(Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!)} 05:21, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Although I argued for keeping the list of names of Disney characters, I think this one should go. This functions much more as a dictionary entry (not encyclopedia) and, as pointed out above, the titles are readily available by clicking on the side bar. It's not as important or as interesting as the names of the Disney characters (which, I admit is still too list-like but is considerably better than this pure list). Interlingua ^talk 05:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I'm inclined to follow Interlingua's argument here too, but it turns out that there isn't a Greek entry for the first book, whatever it's called, and if there were I take it there wouldn't be a Latin transliteration of the title. So this does seem to contain some additional information. ~ trialsanderrors 07:12, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into Harry Potter in translation; failing that, delete.—Scott5114↗ 07:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Isn't really notable and seems like an unnecessary. I don't really see any of the information contained in the article to be of worth elsewhere so I'm not inclined to recommmend a merge.--Auger Martel 07:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, there might be reasons for mentioning some translated names of Harry Potter characters (on the HP article), such as any that caused particular problems in certain languages. This, however, is cross-Wiki-language list-cruft with severe verifiabilty and WP:OR problems. It does not justify its own article. - Motor (talk) 10:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Mango and Motor. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:52, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per above. Bwithh 15:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into Harry Potter in translation or just delete W guice 20:53, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but include Latinization of other scripts. That will make this a valuable reference tool. It makes Wikipedia a reference work. Fg2 13:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Violates no original research rule. --Atrian 03:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.