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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Guerillero Parlez Moi 21:04, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Libya–Mauritania relations[edit]

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No sourcing, and no indication that sourcing exists establishing significant information about their relations but creator prefers mainspace so we're here. Star Mississippi 14:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • One leader visiting/helping a country does not speak to broader relations, which are not addressed in any sourcing that I found. I could have made my nom more clear but no indication that sourcing exists came from my BEFORE. Star Mississippi 15:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here are two quotes from a scholarly article in 2001: "For example, when oil revenues started to fall in 1985, Libya expelled or laid off more than 100,000 foreign workers from Mali, Mauritania, and Nigeria." "For example, in November 1995, in response to Mauritania's decision to recognize Israel, Libya recalled its ambassador and announced that it was severing all economic assistance to the country and 'dispensing' with Mauritanian workers in Libya." [1] The content here clearly demonstrates extensive economic and political ties. =Executive-level state visits, high-profile payoffs, extraditing and harbouring leaders: this is the stuff of international relations, all of which are demonstrated in the previous sources you dismissed.--User:Namiba 15:32, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any chance of this being added to the article? Geschichte (talk) 17:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Huliaras, Asteris. "Qadhafi's comeback: Libya and sub‐Saharan Africa in the 1990s." African Affairs 100, no. 398 (2001): 5-25.

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Complex/Rational 14:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep based on sources found by Namiba. LibStar (talk) 12:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Sorry, but as the article currently stands, there's barely anything there and no assertion of notability. Little more than a dicdef. Thanks to Namiba for finding a few sources, but even if this info was incorporated into the article, all we would have is WP:SYN, in violation of WP:NOR. Until secondary sources have addressed this topic directly and in detail, we shouldn't have an article about it. Yilloslime (talk) 03:47, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What original research are you referring to? Incorporating information from sources is not original research. It is the basis of an encyclopedia.--User:Namiba 04:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have semi'ed this to stop the socking. If this is seen as too involved as Nom, feel free to revert me. Star Mississippi 19:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 21:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete the article consists entirely of “these two countries have relations. There’s no there there. Llajwa (talk) 22:04, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and expand. The two are both founding members of the five-member Arab-Maghreb Union, so I was somewhat surprised to see this. There is significant scholarly coverage of Libyan-Mauritanian relations. Such coverage includes a whole section on the bilateral relations between the two in The changing interactions between Libya and the Maghreb: bilateral versus multilateral engagement, which covers the history of bilateral relations between the two in a fairly direct way. There is also coverage in a paragraph on page 37 of Libya and the West: Headlong into Confrontation?, in addition to the sources put forward by Namibia. There was also the whole affair when Libya recognized an ousted President as head-of-state of Mauritania (Reuters), when Libya attempted high-level diplomatic relations to resolve an internal Mauritanian crisis (Reuters), when Mauritania's President called for Qaddafi's ouster (AFP via Modern Ghana), and also the whole agreement to extradite a former Qaddafi spy chief (Libya Herald, Reuters, The Guardian.
    Much of the scholarly coverage in English appears to be on multilateral relations involving the two, but the bilateral relations nonetheless are real and appear to have significant coverage from multiple independent RS. As always, WP:NEXIST notes that Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article (emphasis mine). And, such sources do exist, so the current state of sourcing of the article (as alluded to by Llajwa above) is irrelevant to the question of notability. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 18:52, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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