Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Falange Boricua

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to Falangism in Latin America. Cúchullain ^t/c 06:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Falange Boricua[edit]

Not notable, non-existent organization. The only sources are hoaxes. Delete I am nominator.--Cerejota 05:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's mentioned in a lot of places on google for it to be a hoax. I admit the article is not great but I am not a Spanish speaker and feel that if it was given attention by a Spanish speaker who could translate the resources available on the internet then it could be significantly improved. Keep and tag for clean-up or attention of an expert as a result. Keresaspa 14:19, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All of the mentions in google are for the same primary source. In fact dozens of other civil disobidients during those arrests alleged in one of the sources: the "news item" mentions several patently false -or lets say unverifiable- claims. Not a single FBI agent performed arrests, they where all US Marshalls(Vieques). Not a single reliable source mentions this group. This is one guy with a geocities account. Not notable.--Cerejota 16:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(I have just relisted this) comment Searching the web I really only found many sites restating the same, but they are all falangistas (from Chile, Spain, ...), which sort of makes them primary sources. Thus more are needed and I found none. Still I have one question: what is your source for the claim that the arrests were not made by the FBI but by US Marshalls? Your source may establish existence, and may be an interesting source to access the subject's notability. - Nabla 20:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Local mainstream press during the events, and the law: the FBI provided support and help, but the arrest where happening unde rhte authority of US 13th Circuit Judges, excercised legally by US marshalls. Navy-Vieques protests has serious quality issues, but it is not OR when it states that "In May 4, 2000 civil disobedience encampments inside the practice grounds were evacuated by U.S. Marshals and Marines."

Furthermore, while arrests on the part of the FBI in Puerto Rico generally get press coverage, there is no single mention of the arrests alleged in the article, anywhere not even on the other falangist websites, which only repeat what they did.

Lastly, the USA publishes a list of what it considers "terrorist" organizations, there is no such action as "banning" an organization. At most its members can be tried under RICO laws, or in cases of corporations, their charters revoked, but there is no instance of banning any organization in recent history. Any such action on the part of the USA would have led to a shitstorm on the part of civil libertarians!

While my allegation of a hoax might constitute OR if published in the actual page, I am allowed to do OR in arguing deletion, am I not? The only reason I am not calling for speedy deletion is because is has been up for a big while.--Cerejota 23:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Off course you may, and should, research. I did not knew of the 'Navy-Vieques protests' article (not mentioned neither here nor at 'Falange Boricua') so I did not understood that it was a protest not by this group. If it were then being arrested by the FBI or US Marshalls would be an edition problem, not a deletion matter. Given that it is not, I now understand the inconsistencies that you are pointing at. So I think deletion is the way to go, unless sourced. And I found none I think is reliable in several spanish language pages I've seen, as they all seem to simply echo the same primary source. - Nabla 03:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete It does seem to exist, but the quality of the websites is unimpressive to me (though I don't know Spanish). A cleanup/expand job could certainly work. Yechiel Man 14:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletions. -- ⇒ bsnowball 14:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nabla 20:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: some of the discussion above happened after this first relisting. - Nabla 16:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:54, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. A thorough search of Google News Archive found nothing about this group or its supposed imprisoned founder. There is a small mention in one book, but only in relation to it being mentioned on a Spanish Falangist website. Fails notability, assuming it is correct. --Dhartung | Talk 07:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 10:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The weight of opinion here seems to be in favour of deletion and I accept that it is a minor movement and probably not deserving of a separate article. That being said I created the article as a redlink from List of fascist movements by country where there are a number of similar minor redlinked groups. As such I will create a master article to deal with all of them entitled Falangism in Latin America which will also deal with other more important groups such as the Bolivian Socialist Falange. With this article created Falange Boricua can be redirected along with all the other redlinks. It is a feature of Latin American political life and should be dealt with somewhere but I accept that each group need not have their own article. Keresaspa 12:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks fine. - Nabla 13:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not totally sure of the process now, whether I leave it to be closed first or just go ahead and redirect. Rather than risk it, I'll wait. Keresaspa 14:19, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Falangism in Latin America. -- Satori Son 01:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Falangism in Latin America. John Vandenberg 07:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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