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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

East Cobb Baseball[edit]

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It exists and has some coverage, but I don't think it is enough to go over WP:ORG or WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 19:34, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 21:50, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Keep - The sourcing, though not ideal, provides enough coverage to meet the threshold for notability. If not considered standalone notable, merging and adding a sports section to Marietta, Georgia where it merits mention would be a suitable alternative. The regional significance of East Cobb Baseball is evident, and its inclusion adds valuable content to Wikipedia's coverage of sports in the area. KarKuZoNga (talk) 04:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am almost sure that this is an AI-generated summary of the comments above, particularly looking at @Star Mississippi comment. The first sentence is just a rewording of Star's first sentence, and notice the duplication of "merits mention". See this user's other AfD contributions and all of them are just summaries of other's comments written in a very AI style. GraziePrego (talk) 05:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Summarizing comment doesn't make it ai. Not sure about your point. If you have issue with my Keep vote and its justification please give proper argument to oppose that. KarKuZoNga (talk) 10:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Spanneraol's reasoning. This is a run of the mill youth club baseball league and there is nothing outside much in terms of coverage outside of 2 local newspaper articles and the obit of the guy who founded it (which itself appears to be a reprint of the one provided by his family to a funeral home). Best, GPL93 (talk) 20:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Verducci, Tom (2010-04-19). "Legend Before His Time". Sports Illustrated. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article notes: "Since 1985 East Cobb has won 146 national titles and produced 150 pro players, including 21 drafted and signed last year alone. It has grown to 85 teams for ages eight through 18. You might see as many as 600 scouts and college coaches at the complex at a time; they're engaged in the baseball equivalent of catching fish in a barrel. Among the major league stars who have played at East Cobb are McCann, Jeff Francoeur, Jeremy Hermida, Nick Markakis, Micah Owings, Matt Capps, Stephen Drew, Dexter Fowler and Gordon Beckham—and that doesn't include the 14 first-round picks in just the past three years."

    2. Murray, Lynn (2013-02-01). "God's Little Acre of Diamonds: Observations on Travel Ball in Cobb County, Georgia. The Cathedral". Illustoria. McSweeney's. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article notes: "East Cobb is the cathedral of baseball in Cobb County. It’s High Church baseball. ... The story of East Cobb Baseball goes something like this. Back in 1983, a baseball team from Cobb County won the Little League World Series. That World Series. The one on ESPN every August. ... East Cobb Baseball eventually grew to an eighteen-million-dollar, 30-acre complex, and now it fields around 75 travel teams for ages eight to eighteen. Over the years East Cobb has won more national titles (181, according to its website) and trained more future major league players than any other organization in Georgia. It is generally recognized as among the top baseball programs in the country. More than 150 East Cobb alumni have gone on to play professional baseball; more than 800 have earned college scholarships. A 2010 Sports Illustrated article puts it this way: “What Silicon Valley is to computer chips, East Cobb is to youth baseball: the heart of the sport’s research and development.”"

    3. Shanks, Bill (2005). Scout's Honor: The Bravest Way To Build A Winning Team. New York: Sterling & Ross. p. 254. ISBN 09766372-1-9. Retrieved 2024-01-27 – via Internet Archive.

      The book notes: "The best system in Georgia is also perhaps the best in the country, East Cobb Baseball in Marietta, just north of Atlanta. They take kids starting at the age of eight and teach them the specifics of baseball, and then the kids play teams all over the country. In the mid-80’s and before, traveling baseball was non-existent. Kids were lucky if they picked up a few summer league games after rec league or the high school season. But now, kids can play a hundred games in a calendar year. East Cobb’s success has produced better talent that has bled into the high school ranks, making that level of ball better as well. And most of the kids in Georgia high schools have grown up not only watching the Braves, but watching the Braves win."

    4. Williams, Pete (2011). Baseball: How To Play The Game. New York: Universe Publishing. p. 303. ISBN 978-0-7893-2218-0. Retrieved 2024-01-27 – via Internet Archive.

      The book notes: "There’s also East Cobb Baseball, which was created in the northern Atlanta suburbs in 1985, not long after a team from Marietta, Ga., won the Little League World Series. Guerry Baldwin, a Pony League coach in Marietta, thought it made sense for players to be grouped together based on ability rather than age or home address. A wealthy benefactor helped build a 30-acre, eight-field complex that has since become the most prominent year-round facility in the country, producing such Big Leaguers as Jason Heyward, Brian McCann, Jeff Francoeur and Corey Patterson."

    5. Simpson, Allan, ed. (2003). Baseball America Almanac 2003. Durham, North Carolina: Baseball AmericaD. p. 450. ISBN 0-684019299. Retrieved 2024-01-27 – via Internet Archive.

      The book notes: "The powerful East Cobb baseball program from Marietta, Ga., added to its bulging trophy case by winning four more national titles in 2002. The 16-year-old East Cobb Astros stood out, winning 19 straight games to capture two major national titles in a 20-day span. They went 10-0, beating the Bloomfield Hills (Mich.) Wolves 18-0 in the final, to win the 24-team Continental Amateur Baseball Association (CABA) World Series, played at East Cobb's own new $9.8 million complex in Marietta. The Astros then went 9-0, beating the Arlington (Texas) Wizards 4-1 in the final, to win the 48-team Amateur Athletic Union (AAU) Junior Olympics national title in Knoxville, Tenn. East Cobb's victory in the Junior Olympics marked the sixth time in the last seven years that it won the gold medal. It finished second in 2000."

    6. Crater, Paul (2007). Baseball in Atlanta. Charleston, South Carolina: Arcadia Publishing. p. 25. ISBN 978-0-7385-4380-2. Retrieved 2024-01-27 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "In the Atlanta area, organizations like the Northside Youth Organization, the Cascade Youth Organization, the East Cobb Baseball Program, and various Dixie Youth leagues foster competitive environments and provide boys and girls the opportunity to play the game on an organized level. The East Cobb Baseball Program, located north of Atlanta in the city of Marietta, is one of the finest youth leagues in the country. It operates a multimillion-dollar facility and has produced dozens of collegiate and professional baseball players over the last 20 years."

    7. Edgerton, Les (2009). Perfect Game USA and the Future of Baseball: How the Remaking of Youth Scouting Affects the National Pastime. Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland & Company. p. 86. ISBN 978-0-7864-3408-4. Retrieved 2024-01-27 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "East Cobb baseball has long been recognized as one of the premier youth baseball organizations in the country and probably the premier program in most baseball insider's eyes. Ford talks about how they teamed up."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow East Cobb Baseball to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 12:06, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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