Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Denso Kasius

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The result was keep. Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:16, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Denso Kasius[edit]

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Another case of possibly WP:TOOSOON as there is limited resources which possibly might make him fail WP:GNG despite the NFOOTY with 1 minute of gametime. HawkAussie (talk) 01:20, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. HawkAussie (talk) 01:20, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Move to Draft He is only 17, he's got so much ahead of him.--Olatunde Brain (talk) 01:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - He has 8 minutes of game time, not that that makes a difference. He’s a young player who has just made his debut this year in the fully professional Eerste Divisie. This nomination is ridiculous, there are plenty of young players across Europe who have a handful of minutes to their names, but have pages. They, along with Kasius, meet WP:NFOOTY, and seeing as he’s 17 and playing for Utrecht, I’ve no doubt he’ll make another professional appearance. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 07:24, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In support of this claim, the following players from Premier League clubs have all made only one professional appearance: James Olayinka, Cameron Archer, Corey Jordan, Taylor Richards, Romaric Yapi, Alex Cochrane (footballer), Archie Davies, Peter Gwargis, Haydon Roberts, Ryan Longman, Teddy Jenks, Armando Broja, Ian Maatsen, Bryan Fiabema, Luke Dreher, Dion-Curtis Henry, Alex Denny, Darnell Johnson, Callum Hulme, Adam Lewis (footballer), Joe Hardy (footballer), Elijah Dixon-Bonner, Luis Longstaff, Jake Cain, Jack Bearne, James Norris (footballer), Thomas Hill (footballer, born 2002), Isaac Christie-Davies, Tyreke Wilson (0 pro appearances), Felix Nmecha, Morgan Rogers, D'Mani Mellor, Ethan Galbraith, Di'Shon Bernard, Largie Ramazani, Dylan Levitt, Thomas Allan (footballer, born 1999), William Hondermarck (0 pro appearances), Rob Nizet (0 pro appearances), Timothy Eyoma, Malachi Fagan-Walcott, Mason Barrett, Joseph Hungbo, Henry Wise (footballer), Bayli Spencer-Adams, Jayden Bennetts, Ben Johnson (footballer, born 2000), Terry Taylor (footballer), Owen Otasowie and Luke Cundle.

I am aware of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, however it seems the requirement to meet WP:FOOTY is to make at least one professional appearance, which Kasius has done. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 09:48, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Playing less than 10 minutes clearly is too little to establish notability. We should probably delete most of the other articles listed above, but that will have to be considered on a case by case basis.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:57, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 17:15, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - meets NFOOTBALL; a young player at the start of his career, and we typically allow those a larger leeway given they have their careers ahead of them. Giant Snowman 17:17, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Davidlofgren1996's and GiantSnowman's arguments.SFletcher06 (talk) 22:11, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:NFOOTY and has made his debut this year. Subject is 17 years with ongoing career see little point in deleting it.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:53, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets NFOOTY. At some point we have to sanction those that continue to nominate and vote delete on articles that they know meet WP:N because they don't agree with policy. Nfitz (talk) 23:46, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails GNG. Guidelines like NFOOTY give a presumption of notability, however, there are occasional exceptions. This is one of them. 10 minutes of play simply does not establish the required notability. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 02:08, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Except of course he is 17 years old... Giant Snowman 17:01, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, it makes sense to delete articles on people who played for 5 minutes a decade and a half ago and will obviously never play professionally again, without regard to the highly technical NFOOTY pass, but for a player at the start of their career the reasoning for that does not apply. Devonian Wombat (talk) 00:29, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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