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The result was keep‎. signed, Rosguill talk 03:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Caddebostan, Kadıköy[edit]

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Declined draft moved out of AfC by creator. Longer discussions here, here and here. I think a merger to Kadıköy#Composition would be fine (this is where Caddebostan already redirects, but Youprayteas wants a standalone). The issue is while source volume exists, the depth does not indicate this should be a standalone rather than covered in the larger article. Neighborhoods rarely meet GEOLAND, and NOPAGE applies here. Bringing it here for larger discussion, Star Mississippi 02:28, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Hi Star Mississippi, I would like to indicate that Caddebostan has a large population, a history, and important places inside. Before you try to delete my article, I suppose you should delete the thousands and thousands of village and neighborhood stubs with only population information and nothing else. Youprayteas (talk to me? | contribs) 04:51, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • We have a history of thousands of them being either poorly sourced or outright false, so that's actually a process that is happening. You really do not want to rely upon that as your sole argument. The other stuff that exists is crap that we gradually actually are deleting. Uncle G (talk) 09:45, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Well good I guess because all categories like villages in x place for Turkey contain random villages no one cares about. That is definetly not my only argument and as you can see many people also agree that Caddebostan is notable enough. Youprayteas (talk to me? | contribs) 13:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and move to Caddebostan, as no disambiguation is necessary. I would agree with the initial AfC declines in January as the article was just a stub with questionable sources that weren't showing notability. However, I don't understand the basis of this AfD; the article is actually in pretty good shape with good sourcing, having been expanded following the discussions linked in the nomination statement. Sure the formatting is wrong, but Ref 6 is actually a peer-reviewed journal article on the history of the neighborhood. Maybe these don't automatically pass GEOLAND as populated places, but a historic area in a very large city is bound to have some sourcing to be notable. Some high-quality sources include (two already in the article; just formatted improperly):
  • Demiriz, Yıldız (2007). Dünden bugüne Caddesbostan (in Turkish). Yorum Sanat Yayınevi. ISBN 9789750163104.
  • Karakaya, Enis (2018). "Bizans Devrinde Caddebostan Ruphinianus (Drys)". Sanat Tarihi Yıllığı (in Turkish) (27). Istanbul University: 183–215. ISSN 0579-4080. Retrieved 7 February 2024.
  • Kütükçü, Tamer (2014). Kadıköy'ün Kitabı: Geçmiş Zamanların, Mekanların ve Hatırlamaların Rafında (in Turkish). Ötüken Neşriyat. ISBN 9786051552781.
  • Şar, Onur (2009). "19. Yüzyılda Caddebostanı'nda Bir Fabrika Meselesi: Yasaklama 'Mani-i Terakkiyat'a Yol Açıyor mu?". Toplumsal Tarih (in Turkish). No. 189. Tarih Vakfı [tr]. pp. 50–53. ISSN 2717-7459. Retrieved 6 February 2024.
  • Yılmaz, Havva (2022). "Bir Metamorfoz Hikayesi: Caddebostan Ragıp Paşa Köşkü Üzerine". Toplumsal Tarih (in Turkish). No. 348. Tarih Vakfı [tr]. pp. 76–79. ISSN 2717-7459. Retrieved 6 February 2024.
Some others can be found on subtopics like transportation and geology etc. but that's not really relevant for here. I believe there are enough reliable sources with significant coverage on the topic that demonstrate the notability of this neighborhood. As for its depth and NOPAGE; I believe the article is (and was) long enough to warrant its own page. It's not a stub by far as it's long enough to run on DYK (in fact, right now there are three articles on the main page shorter than this). I don't see a merge to Kadıköy being a good option as #Composition just "lists" all the neighborhoods without any text, so covering only Caddebostan there with several paragraphs while none of the others have anything is just off. A merge would likely cause the text to be cut and result in the loss of encyclopedic information anyway. Styyx (talk) 13:26, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I would also want to indicate that according to GEOLAND, quote "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low." Caddebostan is 1. legally recognized 2. has a big population 3. has coverage in secondary, reliable sources (per Styyx) 4. has a history, and the Byzantine period section includes a peer reviewed high quality source and finally 5. has notable places, some of which already have an article. (ex: Ragıp Paşa Mansion and Bağdat Avenue) Youprayteas (talk to me? | contribs) 19:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and move to Caddebostan as Caddebostan is a well-known neighborhood in Istanbul. As demonstrated above, there is significant coverage of the neighbrohood by RS, and it is also notable according to WP:GEOLAND. A disambiguator is unneeded as there is no other Caddebostan as far as I know, or if there was, this one is clearly the primary topic. Aintabli (talk) 20:49, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and move per above. Appears to pass WP:GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 13:26, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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