Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Balti wine

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 16:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Balti wine[edit]

The article is dangerously close to being an advertisement. At the least it is promoting the product and or brand and is subject to WP:NPOV. Emana 20:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete "So far, the wine has proved popular with Indian restaurants. Over 700,000 bottles have been sold, at a price of £10 to £15 per bottle" this isn't dangerously close to being an advertisement, this definitely IS an advertisement. Also CSD A7 for no assertion of notability. Rampant POV issues Rackabello 21:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not a speedy candidate. CSD G11 is reserved for truly blatant corporate spam, that sentence just strikes me as someone running out of things to put in the article. Furthermore, a cursory check via google hints that this article could be salvaged. —Xezbeth 21:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It probably IS salvageable but would probably end up being very bland. -- Emana 22:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I must be going soft or something, but this is probably worth keeping, pending a minor cleanup. The non-corporate, vaguely scientific involvement is one saving factor. Adrian M. H. 19:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 14:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wine-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 15:00, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment As a member of the Wine Project, I am right now neutral about the article because, to be quite frank, I've never heard of it before and I have sold my fair share of Indian wines. I agree that it currently speaks like an advertisement and I will work on that as I do a little more research. All I ask is that this AfD not be "speedily" close to give some time to see if this is truly worth saving or is a candidate to be merged in the still needing to be created Indian wine. If it needs to be merged, I'll at least start a stub of that article for the merging. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 18:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep After reading more about the subject, I realize it wouldn't be appropriate to merge into a new Indian wine article since the grapes are Argentinian. I also see distinct notability in the wine with the distribution deals with a major airline and cruise line. The recent establishment of a distribution chain to the US will also substantially increase its notability in a short time frame. I have cleaned up the article a bit, replacing its weak sourcing with a more reliable major news source and also brought the language in line with a more NPOV, non-advert tone. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 19:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the edit. Still I tagged it with an {{orphan}} tag. I don't think having wide distribution makes it more notable. Has the sales of Balti wine have effects on anything else but the guy's wallet? I'd like to see facts like, "The first $1,000,000 in revenue of ABCD wine was used to erect a new chemistry lab at EDU University, which became the birth place of Penicillin". -- Emana 22:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - The whole "pencillin" scenario is thankfully beyond the scope of the pertinent guideline of WP:CORP. In the wine world, distribution is notable because the more likely people are going to be exposed to the wine, the more likely they will want to read a wikipedia article about it. Unlike directly commercial products, like the Flowbee or Big Mac, wine also has a cultural component that extends far beyond just being a product to sell. Wine and food matching is popular topic and Balti wine is notable in being one of the few of wines to fill a niche in a popular area of ethnic cuisine. So while new "wonder drugs" might not be discovered because of this wine, in the world of "food and wine", this wine is an important first step in wine and food matching of Indian cuisine. It is a tad bit of systematic bias to chide the importance of that.Agne^Cheese/^Wine 19:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - I have nothing against Balti wine. I am just curious to know more about it and how it could become a more interesting article. The "penicillin" example was an extreme "good example" where there would be no questions to notability. I think we need more serious expertise from a contributor in the wine category. I've made comments about Balti not being Indian on its talk page. -- Emana 21:35, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Just so you know, Agne is easily one of the most prolific and knowledgeable wine contributers on Wikipedia. I have no doubt that she's capable of giving "serious expertise" in any wine related discussion. --- The Bethling ^(Talk) 00:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd keep the article, as it has a bit of notability in that it's a unique case, ie no other type of wine has been created specifically to be drunk with curry. Also, it seems widespread given the US disribution and airline deals. Having said that though, I don't think there's much more that can be said about it, without risk of turning the article into an advert for the product! --BodegasAmbite 11:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, at least until there's been enough time to assess the impact it has as a product, and hence its notability. Uniqueness is naturally going to make any product-based article appear promotional. Until there is a generic article for food-specific wines (or whatever), it should stay. One major point in its favour is that it apprears to have been written by a long-standing contributor here, so corporate spam it ain't. mikaul^talk 12:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It's not notable by typical Wikipedia standards IMHO. -Splitpeasoup 19:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Agne and mikaul. I think the article has a good deal of potential for expansion as interesting wine subject. --- The Bethling ^(Talk) 00:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.