Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alice Underwood Fitch

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The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 00:32, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alice Underwood Fitch[edit]

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Checking for reliable sources, I only find https://www2.northwestmuseum.org/museum/participant-fitch-alice-underwood-3477.htm. If that biography precedes the Wikipedia article then the Wikipedia article is a clear copyright violation. If the Wikipedia article precedes the posted biography at the Northwest Museum of Arts and Culture, then using it as a source would be circular. I am not finding much else in WP:BEFORE to bring this up to wiki standards. Bringing it to the group for consideration. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:06, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Artists --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:15, 22 January 2024 (UTC) [reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP - I've added a couple of sources found via Google newspapers. She was apparently a highly respected artist in her era. — Maile (talk) 00:20, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Maile66. Do you think the Northwest Museum of Arts and Culture bio came before the Wikipedia? and if so, do you see copyvio as I do? https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Alice+Underwood+Fitch&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0 --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:27, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see the copyvio. I can't tell which came first. What do you say about it? — Maile (talk) 01:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. That's why I brought it here. I am hoping someone with more forensic skills can help. I don't want to rewrite if it is circular. The article was creating in 2012 by an SPA --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:32, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given that the article was originally written in 2012 I suspect it came first and citing that NW museum bio would be circular. -- asilvering (talk) 00:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Asilvering. I was just looking at Earwig's copyvio detector with a magnifying glass, and the museum article is definitely dated "Site Design ©2021 Klündt | Hosmer", which was 9 years after the Fitch article. — Maile (talk) 02:50, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 01:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have removed https://www2.northwestmuseum.org/museum/participant-fitch-alice-underwood-3477.htm as a reference, assuming it was copied from Wikipedia. I hae also removed uncited material. That pretty much leaves her local obituary and the fact that she was decorated with the Ordre des Palmes Académiques in 1908. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:22, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 20:33, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets WP:NARTIST. Here is her obituary. [1] has details of her occupation before becoming an artist. [2], [3], and ProQuest 318932850 cover her receiving the Palmes Académiques. Jfire (talk) 05:58, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources found by @Jfire. Lijil (talk) 16:14, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources found during AfD. Ben Azura (talk) 21:12, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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