Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Million Ways to Die in the West

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep per nominator withdrawal and no outstanding arguments for deletion. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:49, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A Million Ways to Die in the West[edit]

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~~Has not begun filming, fails WP:NFF~~. ~~Editor also moved already existent redirect to an unnecessary new location in order to create this. It has happened before~~ I'm gonna withdraw the AFD. I hope in the future Captain Assassin follows common practice the way I showed him on his talk page. Rusted AutoParts 17:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Filming has begun already and I'm going to add references and citations, so please wait. And other thing I moved because I'm starting the article, you just created the page and made redirection.-- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ^{( T - C - G )} 17:06, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You create redirects in order to add content later, not move the redirect, thereby making another, unnecessary redirect. It also shows you to be sneaky and underhanded, since you did it as well with Transference.Rusted AutoParts 17:08, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Transcendence not Transference, and I did yes I did, I added the contents to that too, but you snatched that from me by making loop of redirection.-- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ^{( T - C - G )} 17:13, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You snatched it from me. I had that redirect created too. I had to have them deleted twice to revert your actions. It's called stealing in some places, but I'm claiming no ownership, just acknowledge what you're doing is wrong. Rusted AutoParts 17:17, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. czar · · 18:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - at least, as it is for now. Let me throw out a quote here from WP:NFF -"Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines." As it stands, this article does not meet that guideline at the moment. Unless any sources are added that show the production is notable and can be well-supported in the article writing, I'll move to delete and just say wait until we get a little closer to release time. That being said, if User:Captain Assassin! can make it happen in the next couple of days before this AFD closes, I might be inclined to change my mind. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 21:57, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Red Phoenix , yes according to policies it doesn't meet the guideline at the moment but I can show you hundreds of other articles like this, there are many others which have articles during filming. Leave filming I can show you the articles which are not started filming yet, some are in pre-production and some in planned project. And you know that this guideline works sometimes, I will add reliable sources in a couple of hours and I hope you'll be satisfied then. And you can also see in the sources that the film was set to be shoot in May/Spring, and now it is filming.-- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ^{( T - C - G )} 02:21, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please provide as source that informs that filming has already begun? All I have found is reports on casting being under weigh. If filming has begun, I could support a keep. If not, I would support an incubation of the article and a redirect of the title to its director. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:32, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Well done, it seems that notability has been established after all. Though I'm sure the sourcing is a little shoddy right now, there's enough to meet WP:NFF at this point. Captain Assassin!, however, I'd like to point out something very briefly for you to keep in mind in the future when you have to defend against someone's point of view in an AFD. Make sure to read WP:OCE, because just because there are other articles that are similar doesn't mean that any one article should be protected. What defines my decision in this case with a concern of notability was how it matched the policy on notability for an unreleased film, and I would say that it did not at first, but the additional sources have established that notability. Any of the hundreds of articles that have not established notability in a similar situation, I would nominate for deletion for lack of notability, but not under the presumption that we would never have an article on the film. Sometimes it's simply too soon. Best of luck as you continue to shape up this article, and happy editing. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 02:06, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As required by WP:NFF we now have confirmation of filming. From May 2, we learn in Women's Wear Daily that Amanda Seyfried "has just left Gallup, N.M., in her rearview mirror as she heads to Santa Fe to film her newest project, a comedy with Seth MacFarlane dubbed A Million Ways to Die in the West" and that the project is expected to take six weeks to complete.[1] Just hours ago it was announced in Daily Mail "the Big Love actress just began filming Seth MacFarlane's new comedy, A Million Ways to Die in the West, in New Mexico." (my underscore) Also required by WP:NFF's stating "films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines." I find the shear wealth of sources about this production's planning and casting meet the primary notability guideline... IE: per guideline, the production is now determinable as notable enough for inclusion and, considering the principals involved, it will only gain more coverage. And yes, the article could benefit from expansion and use of the many available sources, yes... but (@Red Phoenix) as filming has commenced and the project-being-filmed has coverage enough to meet WP:GNG, that addressable issue is a reason to allow it remain and be improved overtime and through regular editing. In improving articles to serve the project and its readers, addressable issues are rarely cause for deletion. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 08:01, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the notability guidelines for future films. The threshold is the start of filming, and we have now verified that here. A stand-alone article is thus warranted. Erik (talk | contribs) 12:05, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Schmidt. WP:NFF is indeed satisfied. Nymf _{talk to me} 18:11, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the notability guidelines for future films. As of today, A Million Ways to Die in the West has a release date in North America, May 30, 2014: Hollywood Reporter--Ahmad123987 (talk) 18:51, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ahmad123987, for what it's worth, an announced release date is not a good indicator of whether or not a film will be made. A studio can announce a release date but fail to get the film into production. Erik (talk | contribs) 15:45, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As noted by others, principal photography is now underway, so that's not an issue. Does it meet general notability guidelines? Given the director and cast, it's pretty certain that it does. Even if it does not at present, it obviously will. Deletion, only to have it re-created in another few months, is an exercise in futility. If this does come out as "delete" I hope the originating editor will be offered a chance to WP:USERFY it so work already done is not lost, and to facilitate bringing it back as an article, which will inevitably be done. TJRC (talk) 22:58, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The article has been fixed up, plus this a a notable film by now. Koala15 (talk) 23:36, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Enough "keep" comments for now, I think. AFD should be closed for now as it is filming now, thanks to all for participating.-- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ^{( T - C - G )} 09:21, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

AFDs usually remain open for 7 days, and we do have one outstanding delete vote. However, it might be closed by an uninvolved person under WP:SNOW. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 10:26, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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