Talk:Rhea (mythology)/Archive 1

Saturn is named after Cronus, not Rhea

"The second largest moon of the planet Saturn is named after her." should be deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.167.175.211 (talk) 05:38, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

The planet Saturn was named after the Roman god Saturn, Rhea, the second largest moon of the planet Saturn, was named after the Greek Titaness Rhea. Paul August ☎ 11:24, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Inconsistencies and lack of sources

This entry is a mix of Rhea, Gaia, Cybele, mixing late Greek and Roman sources with misidentifications, making Rhea a Titan, etc. --like a Baroque painted ceiling. 'Her husband, zues, castrated her (and his) father, Uranus.' is unmatchable. Could someone mention a Greek/Roman source for some of the statements? Try [1]

I dared not interfere here before, but now I've deleted the following two bits:

Rhea became offended by the antics of Celmis and asked Zeus to turn him into a lump of steel or diamond. Zeus obliged. This might be a garbled second-hand hearing of som,ething from Ovid's Metamorphoses but has little to do with the nature of Rhea.

Greek mythologans say that Rhea was only the dumd lions,and me the idiot rhea . im a dumd stupid gay .....and the Simple Ages. Roman mythologans agree with this, but they have different names for these ages- the Ruttut Age, the War Ages, and the Simple Ages. Ah, The Simple Age! Oh those mythologans!

User:Wetman

I haven't a clue what the second paragraph means, but the first seems relevant and helps to characterize her, assuming it is true. You seem to think it isn't, and thus I support its deletion until the facts (as much as there are facts in Greek mythology) can be more appropriately and accurately described. Tuf-Kat 23:35, Jan 8, 2004 (UTC)

"Etymology"

..."or Riathe dumd grandma"... No. Not even close.--Wetman 03:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Son of Rhea

OK, I get Zeus is her kid. Is he first-born, or what? Who's next? Trekphiler 19:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Try these two links they should explain a lot.

Ancient Gods <== recommend for info, not family tree

Greek Gods Family Tree <==recommend for tree and info; very helpful

The first explains more detailed, the second has more info, when you click on god names in second link it sends you to that wiki article.

Hope this helps

DrakeKobra 19:55, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Coincidence? I hope so...

Sorry for the childishness of this question, but is there any relation between Rhea and Diarrhea etymologically... since she's the child of Uranus, I thought it might be a perverse in-joke for linguists. Jddriessen 18:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

No. --Wetman 18:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I believe a study about the Etymology of the word "Rhea" would result in such name meaning "flow". Hence, not only Diarrhea, but also Gonorrhea, Galactorrhea, and all words ending with the suffix "-rrhea" present a relation to this goddess. As far as I know, Rhea was first associated with the flow of menstruation and all the maternal aspects that come with it.

One other thing:, a trascrip from the last sentences of the article:

Most often Rhea's symbol is a pair of lions, the ones that pulled her celestial chariot and were seen often, rampant, one on either side of the gateways through the walls to many cities in the ancient world. The one at Mycenae is most characteristic, with the lions placed on either side of a pillar that symbolizes the goddess. She liked pie.

The second largest moon of the planet Saturn is named for her.

She liked pie? Was that a joke edit or something...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Giulius (talk • contribs) 20:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Work it into the essay question on your mid-term, and let us know how you fare. --Wetman (talk) 16:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Misconnections

"In Greek mythology, Rhea's symbol is the moon. In Roman mythology, her symbol is known as "the lunar", which also would seem to mean "moon". She has another symbol, the swan, because it is a gentle animal that also is a formidable opponent."

The titan of the moon is Selene, and Rhea/Cybele is not explicitly connected with the Moon anywhere I can find. Can anyone else? The swan of course is embroidery.-Wetman 21:32, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

No Rhea/Cybele is not associated with the moon. If mythographers had their way, every Greek goddesses would be connected to the moon. The moon is Selene/Mene in Greece. No one else.

Also, Metis is not a daugher of Rhea as stated in this article. She's a daughter of Okeanos and Tethys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.173.10 (talk) 13:51, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

No joke, Rhea is Frea, Friga, Freja the earth goddess in Scandinavia as well. The name still resides with the city of Riga just lose the letter F. It used to be under Estonia or the Curites at that time and was pronounded Riia (- Rea -) just as the Greecs pronounce it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.96.185.209 (talk) 15:41, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Dropped wikis

Most of the links to wikipedia in other languages have been dropped: see this diff. Does it matter to anyone?--Wetman (talk) 02:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Sources and versions

The "Children" section has no links to the various versions of the myth of the birth of Zeus. It would be nice to see where each version of the story comes from.

ICE77 (talk) 22:08, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Rhea as precursor to Mary

In 'The Closing of the Western Mind', Charles Freeman, citing Vasiliki Limberis's work, 'Divine Heiress: The Virgin Mary and the Creation of Christian Constantinople', shows there is a clear link which reveals the transformation of Rhea, a virgin mother, into Mary. Hecate and Tyche are also involved as sources. Both Rhea and Tyche had temples built to them by Constantine in Constantinople. 109.145.194.227 (talk) 09:42, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it's a slim little article, and could do with some meat on its bones. Go for it... Freeman's a generalist; but we can use his sources. Rhea crops up quite a bit in Limberis' work - partly available online - though not many full pages, alas - via the French google-books site [2]. Amazon offers a better preview; [3]. Haploidavey (talk) 11:57, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Any new claim that Rhea was a virgin mother would need to be supported by a convincing source - and even then, the conflict with the standard mythology that Cronus was the father of her children would need to be explained. Apuldram (talk) 15:56, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

With respect, these are not novel claims, and they're not based on Rhea's extant or "standard" mythology - whatever's meant by that. They're about Christian responses to pre-Christian traditions and institutions; about Rhea and other deities (not necessarily their myths) as possible precursors to Mary in Constantinople. This article covers literary myth and practical cult; the latter was never obliged to fit the former. Rhea is admittedly difficult to trace, and her cults tend to blur into those of many other goddesses; but that's no reason to ignore her appearances in modern Mariology. Religious syncretism had produced an "all-goddess" and "all mother" long before Constantine's open espousal of Christianity. Mary's virginity - and Rhea's non-virginity, come to that - may have carried far less theological weight than one might suppose. Haploidavey (talk) 16:30, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

You miss the point. Of course Rhea is a mother figure. However 109.145.194.227 claimed that Rhea was a virgin, which is indeed a novel claim - unless you can provide a convincing source to support that opinion. Apuldram (talk) 04:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I'm not trying to dismiss your observation; but Late Imperial theology is a very mixed bag. The IP's claim that Rhea is "virgin goddess" might be their own reading of Freeman; or Freeman's own claim. In any event, we don't use either of those, just Freeman's sources. OK, I've had a thorough search, and I can't find any references in Limberis to Rhea as a virgin goddess; in fact, the opposite. So you were right all along. And I do seem to have completely missed your point. Haploidavey (talk) 07:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Semi Protected Status

Request that this article be placed under semi protected status to prevent additional anonymous vandalism edits. -db- (talk) 03:28, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Iconography

I can find no reliable source identifying Rhea with Mycenae's lion-gate, or any other lion-gate. Some early-ish sources suggest that it the pillar-and-lions represent royal power, or possibly Hera, or perhaps some unidentified potnia theron. I've removed the text and Lion Gate pic. Rhea seems to have taken her iconography from Cybele, pretty much unchanged. Haploidavey (talk) 18:27, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

The first hint of the above was added to the article in 2007, and the rest was added piecemeal, soon after. The Iconography claim and picture caption started off quite hesitant, and became more assertive. How these things grow. Haploidavey (talk) 19:08, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Unclear caption

The caption for one of the images in this entry says "Rhea or Cybele after a marble (1888)". What does that mean?

ICE77 (talk) 06:29, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

It's a term of art; have converted it to plain English. Ta! Haploidavey (talk) 11:04, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Haploidavey, thank you for the update. It makes more sense.

ICE77 (talk) 00:22, 26 February 2018 (UTC)