Talk:Dances at a Gathering

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Dance, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Dance and Dance-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DanceWikipedia:WikiProject DanceTemplate:WikiProject DanceDance articles

This article is supported by WikiProject Ballet.

WikiProject Ballet To-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : See the Image requests page. Articles: Choo Chiat Goh, Vladimir Bourmeister, Columbia City Ballet, Michael Cook (ballet), Peter Schaufuss, Cyril Atanassoff, Post-structuralist ballet
Cleanup : Ballet Fantastique, NYCB/cast lists, re-write the whole Russian ballet article
Copyedit : Rasta Thomas, Ballet (marked as in need of immediate attention)
Disambiguation : Moscow Ballet
Expand : French ballet, Balanchine method, Cecchetti method, Original Ballet Russe, Royal Swedish Ballet, Bloch (dancewear), Turnout (ballet), Opera ballet, English ballet, Italian ballet
NPOV : Capezio
Stubs : Pas de deux, ballet tutu, Nicolai Legat, John Neumeier, Miami City Ballet, more
Unreferenced : Miami City Ballet, Oklahoma City Ballet
Wikify : Moscow Ballet (United States), Oklahoma City Ballet (in need of sections and references)
Other : Review recent changes to ballet articles.

A fact from Dances at a Gathering appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 October 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that choreographer Jerome Robbins planned Dances at a Gathering as a pas de deux for two New York City Ballet dancers, but expanded it to five couples?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dances at a Gathering.

Wikipedia

DYK nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:13, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(

Comment or view
Article history

)

~~... that when choreographer Jerome Robbins taught the ballet Dances at a Gathering to Rudolf Nureyev, Robbins attempted to make Nureyev unrecognisable?~~ Source: "When the Royal Ballet acquired the work, Robbins coached Rudolf Nureyev, then the greatest star personality in ballet, to try preventing the audience from recognizing him." [1])
- ALT1:~~... that choreographer Jerome Robbins once wrote to a magazine in all caps to insist that his ballet Dances at a Gathering has no stories, plots or roles?~~ Source: "Within months of its 1969 premiere (with New York City Ballet, which revives it this week), there was so much talk about its characters and narratives that Robbins sent a letter to the quarterly Ballet Review written like a telegram: “THERE ARE NO STORIES TO ANY OF THE DANCES IN DANCES AT A GATHERING. THERE ARE NO PLOTS AND NO ROLES. THE DANCERS ARE THEMSELVES DANCING WITH EACH OTHER TO THAT MUSIC IN THAT PLACE.”" ([2])

Reviewed: Cups (song)

5x expanded by Corachow (talk). Self-nominated at 01:23, 20 September 2020 (UTC).[reply]

I just ran the page through Earwig myself and it seems like the music section caused it to come out with 41.2%, therefore a possible violation. I can chop that bit off and briefly mention it in the production section if that's more appropriate. Corachow (talk) 18:36, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Not an issue. Only one return has that 41.2%. It's flagging names, titles and quotations from the New York City Ballet web site. Those are not copyvios. The other returns are about 5% or less, from reliable news coverage. — Maile (talk) 22:14, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting ballet, fine expansion on good sources. Thanks to Maile for dealing with the copyright question. Sorry, I am not yet happy with the hooks. The first rests on Nurejev being known, which would be fine for you and me. In the ALT, the all-caps add nothing for me, - simply saying "no plot" seems more to the point. If I'd make a hook, I'd mention the NYCB to give it a place (don't expect all readers to associate Robbins with NYC), and the all-Chopin dances for the music. I also found the "planned as a Pas de deux" bit interesting. Just ideas. - And how about the image? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:15, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Gerda Arendt: I don't know whether to use the image or not since its several Royal Ballet dancers at a curtain call. Robbins had several ballet set to Chopin, so I want to save that for another ballet. Also, many NYCB ballets are plotless. I'd like to make some changes to ALT0 and propose a new hook:
- ALT0a: ~~... that when choreographer Jerome Robbins taught the ballet Dances at a Gathering to Rudolf Nureyev, one of the best ballet dancers at the time, Robbins attempted to make Nureyev unrecognisable?~~
- ALT2: ... that when Jerome Robbins choreographed Dances at a Gathering, he originally planned to make a pas de deux for two New York City Ballet dancers, but it was eventually expanded to ten dancers? Source: It was first conceived as a pas de deux for McBride and Villella but grew as Robbins enlarged his chosen music to include a selection of études, waltzes, mazurkas, a nocturne, and a scherzo. In its final form, five couples dance in response to the music and to the changes in landscape and mood evoked by the lighting. ([3]) Corachow (talk) 19:02, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  Thank you for thinking about it and explaining. I am still not happy with both ALT0 as they (have to) repeat both names. Also, the "one of the best dancers ..." bit would need to be in the article, sourced. How is this:
  
  ALT2a: ... that choreographer Jerome Robbins planned Dances at a Gathering as a pas de deux for two New York City Ballet dancers, but expanded to ten dancers? - In the article, consider to have the many names in the body instead of the image caption. Sorry for missing that it's just the curtain call, not the choreography.
  
  approving the ALT2s, - strike one if you don't like it, and/or reword ALT1 if you prefer that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gerda Arendt. I'm crossing out ALT1, and I'll change the image caption Corachow (talk) 19:41, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]