User talk:Gderrin

Eucalyptus marginata

Hi I noticed my addition to jarrah description (largest trees) was deleted. Is there a problem with the information. These trees has been identified by WA park and wildlife for years. They have been carefully measured with specialist equipment with images to match. I would like to re add the information as I believe it is important to share the size exceptional specimens can attain. Cheers Panthera88 (talk) 13:56, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

talk page stalker - you really need to get a very clear and thorough explanation of what WP:RS means - this is an online encyclopedia with standards for referencing - and not addition of imformation that might be personally important to someone - if it is not supported by clear and publicly available reliable sources, it is WP:OR and not suitable. JarrahTree 14:05, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

@Panthera88: The information about the size of Eucalyptus marginata was added by User:Thyacine. This seems to suggest Sockpuppetry. (My apologies if I have misinterpreted something here.) Irrespectively, the reference cited (Western Australia Giant Trees), interesting as it is, is a self-published source and not acceptable to Wikipedia. Similar information from the same self-published source added to the pages about Eucalyptus patens, E. diversicolor, E. gomphocephala, E. jacksonii and Corymbia calophylla is not reliable and will be reverted. Gderrin (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Gderrin Thanks for feedback. When I first created an account I wanted to change it (misspelling) back it didn’t work so I created a new account but the original seems to show up too? I understand about the WP:OR. In this instance this is the only source. Many tree volumes published have only been measured once. The General Sherman the worlds biggest tree to my knowledge has only been measured 3 times in 90 years. If I use a different source ie National Register of Big Trees would that be an acceptable alternative? Cheers Panthera88 (talk) 03:14, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

@Panthera88: Thanks for the explantation of the multiple usernames - I understand. If by "National Register of Big Trees" you mean this site, it is not an acceptable alternative. It is another dot-com apparently self-published by Derek McIntosh. Information on subjects like the "world's biggest tree" may be in the Guinness World Records, but even that is generally not accepted as a reliable source. (See WP:RSPSRC.) I do not want to discourage you - I appreciate your interest in eucalypts, but it is important (especially on this subject) to use information from reliable sources. The guidelines on the page WP:RS describe and explain the meaning of "reliable sources". Please feel free to respond here, or to ask for help at The Teahouse and most importantly, keep editing! Gderrin (talk) 04:46, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Elaeocarpus, thanks, shortcut

@Gderrin: Hello and thanks for your improving the Elaeocarpus page. Jts1882 alerted me to a shortcut. There is a template, Template:Format species list that takes a list like a copied one from POWO and turns it into a WP list. May I demonstrate on the species list of Elaeocarpus some suggestions for improvement. Brunswicknic (talk) 07:57, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Brunswicknic: Hello Brunswicknic. Thanks muchly. Although I have almost finished the Elaeocarpus list, there are other species lists I would like to work on (e.g. Teucrium) and any help with shortcuts would be appreciated. I've had a look at the template, and if I understand it correctly, it would also allow the author name(s) to be included, but synonyms would have to be deleted if I were to use the list at POWO? Also a bit tricky to keep articles already written but not in the list, that would need to be redirected to a new name? Gderrin (talk) 08:57, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Gderrin: Synonyms, &c., yes they require separate treatment, same with the geography and vernacular names on some lists. What I do is take section to my sandbox, put in the new list and then add the "extras" back manually or in separate section, see Memecylon#A list of Memecylon species for an example of what I prefer to do. Brunswicknic (talk) 09:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Brunswicknic: That's great. I will definitely do that next time. Thanks again. Gderrin (talk) 09:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Gderrin: It's a big list and with all the redlinks it's a bit much on the page. I know we can do Collapsible Section/List, I just have learn/re-acquaint myself with the coding. Thanks for your contributions here and on WP generally. Brunswicknic (talk) 11:17, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Brunswicknic: Agreed, but the article also needs a lot of work in other areas. I'm happy to do a clean up, add better refs and create a separate "List of Ealaeocarpus species" unless you're a glutton for punishment! Also planning to expand the Australian species' pages. Gderrin (talk) 11:28, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Gderrin: No, I am enjoying new pages too much at the moment, between you and me (not like anybody else can see this) I am 3 species away from the end of the list of firewood taxa in Pauline Dy Phon Plants used in Cambodia. After this I can't make up my mind to work on PNG taxa, keep on Cambodian taxa, and then there are the redlinked taxa and botanists in articles I have created. So, your proposal sounds real good to me. Brunswicknic (talk) 11:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Ochna arborea

Hello Gderrin, I'm not sure if this move from Elaeocarpus integrifolius Lam. should have taken place. This species is an endemic of Mauritius, not southern African. I believe it is the synonym Elaeocarpus integrifolius Sieber ex C.Presl you were thinking of. Thanks, Declangi (talk) 08:32, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Declangi: Hello Declangi. Thanks - indeed you are correct. My bad. I will fix. Gderrin (talk) 09:05, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Endemic categorization

Hello, just a friendly reminder to always categorize endemic species under their respective categories, for example, Elaeocarpus munroi should be in Endemic flora of India and Goodenia granitica should be in Endemic flora of Western Australia. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pladica (talk • contribs) 00:19, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

@Pladica: I am happy to leave that to you. Gderrin (talk) 00:27, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

more botanists

I have actually been working on adding bios for a few of the red links in the "List of Botanists by botanical abbreviation" article (or whatever it is called). For instance, I recently added Edward Whittall and Anna B. Nickels. Nickels was particularly interesting; I thought it was too long to include in the article, but in the biographical article I drew most of the info from, you'll find an account of hers about a day trip into the Mexican mountains to collect cactus that is pretty amusing. Regards, Brianyoumans (talk) 17:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Brianyoumans: Interesting articles indeed! Keep up the great work. All the best to you. Gderrin (talk) 20:46, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Australian rainforest key

Hi Gderrin. Just a heads up about the old RFK that used to be found at trin[dot]org[dot]au As you probably know it has been superseded, but yesterday I noticed that the domain is once again working but it brings up a rather sinister-looking page. There are probably many articles that still contain references and links to that old URL (particularly Australian ones) and I've started searching for them and replacing them with an updated link to the current RFK.Junglenut (talk) 04:06, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

@Junglenut: Hello Junglenut. Thanks. Not exactly sure what you mean about "trin[dot]org[dot]au" or "sinister-looking page" but any help with updating links would be greatly appreciated. Gderrin (talk) 06:48, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

@Gderrin: Ah, ok. I've seen your name a lot in edits of pages, and since I mostly work on Australian rainforest flora I assumed you were familiar with it too. Anyway, the Australian Rain Forest Key (RFK) v.6 was hosted on that site I mentioned. It is now up to v.8 and hosted on a different site. I don't want to type the old URL without the brackets because it will be displayed as a link. Junglenut (talk) 09:46, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

@Junglenut: I guess I regularly come across this material indirectly, just by searching the name of a species (eg. Elaeocarpus carolinae). However I can see that some earlier articles I wrote, such has Vanda hindsii now have broken links to the old "Trin keys" site, and that this is the new link. Bit of a pain to go searching for articles with similar link rot. I think that for the moment, I will not worry. If some kind person makes the repair, I'll thank them. If it's tagged "deadref", I'll make the repair myself. There are more important jobs to do. (I will fix the Vanda article though.) Gderrin (talk) 11:24, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

@Gderrin: Yes that link is current for Australian orchids, but the Australian rainforest key (which only covers species that occur in rainforest, and is what my initial message is about) is now at https://apps.lucidcentral.org/rainforest/text/intro/index.html. If you've not done anything with those taxa, all good :) — Junglenut (talk) 11:57, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Elaeocarpus dentatus

Hello Gderrin,

Wondering what your opinion is on creating articles for the described variants Elaeocarpus dentatus var. dentatus and Elaeocarpus dentatus var. obovatus and making Elaeocarpus dentatus describe both variants - not just E. dentatus var. dentatus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elaeocarpus_dentatus#Creating_the_variety_pages

Thanks - Beeveria (talk) 06:18, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@Beeveria: Hmmm...I guess. I can see problems though. The varieties are not mentioned anywhere that I can find except the New Zealand Organisms Register and New Zealand Plant Conservation Network - nothing in Plants of the World Online and no source that I can find for Cheeseman's paper describing Elaeocarpus dentatus var. obovatus. To my mind, it would be more important to clean up the E. dentatus page first. There should, in my opinion, be at least a little about the taxonomic history of the species (eg. that it was originally described in 1776 as Dicera dentata.) Since it is a species that interests you, why not concentrate on the page you already have and improve it to A-Class or better? The variety articles may be little better than stubs. Gderrin (talk) 07:25, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, it may be best to just include more on the varieties on the page itself and taxonomy is definitely something it's missing - Thanks! Beeveria (talk) 07:56, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Dracophyllum (formerly Beeveria) here, just to say that a Taxonomy section has been added. Might get around to buffing the rest later. Cheers Dracophyllum 09:24, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Placement of Dracophyllum arboreum in the genus

Sorry to bother you again Gderrin but I am in the process of writing Dracophyllum arboreum and, given your experience, I wanted to ask about the whether the sectioning done here > https://archive.org/details/transactions-and-proceedings-royal-society-new-zealand-80-001-017/mode/2up? is the same kind of thing to what is in Banksia marginata? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beeveria (talk • contribs)

@Beeveria: Not a bother at all! I hope I have understood your question. If by "sectioning" you mean placing the species of Dracophyllum into subgenera as section as was done here - no, I don't think so. I can't find any papers on that subject for Dracophyllum. It's more important I think, to get the taxonomy correct. Dracophyllum arboreum was first formally described in 1902 by Leonard Cockayne in the Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand Institute. Let me know if I have anything wrong. Good luck with the article. And let me know if you want any help. Gderrin (talk) 04:15, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Gderrin: Thanks for your reply, the paper on separating Dracophyllum into subgenera is the one above (archive.org etc) - I have added it to D. arboreum now let me know your thoughts on the article as is. I also found this huge thesis on Dracophyllum > https://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/handle/10063/950 which I might have a look at in a sec. Beeveria (talk) 05:49, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Beeveria: Looks fine to me. Keep going. Lots of other kiwi species (including lots of dracophyllums) need articles. More like this one would be great! Gderrin (talk) 01:02, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

@Gderrin Thank you so much! I'll work more on Dracophyllum Beeveria (talk) 01:56, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

References

Another update, the sectioning I was using was from 1956 and there is a cladistic analysis from 2010. This I sorted out a while ago. Cheers Dracophyllum 09:26, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

About: Goodenia stirlingii - "Stirling, James (1852 - 1905)" - J.Stirl.

Hi Gderrin. It would appear that the specific epithet "stirlingii" refers to one of those James Stirling-s that doesn't have an article yet. He does have an IPNI standard abbreviation. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 11:07, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Shirt58: Yep. 'Fraid so. That's why I linked to the ANBG page. It might be possible to dig up some information on this James Stirling. According to this page, Mount Stirling was named after him. (Deadlinked ref. unfortunately) I've been able to dig up this paper by him - according to the ANBG article, there are others. (There's a difference in the date of his death.) Gderrin (talk) 12:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Request for peer review help

Hi Gdderin. I hope you are doing well and staying safe during these times! Apologize to bother and posting a random request. I have just started to work on a stub (Fontainea Venosa)and had added some sections. I am trying my best to get the article to B class hopefully. Knowing your expertise, I would love if you can help me to review and left a comment on what I can do to improve my edits. I hope that this is okay, but no pressure if you are busy. That is completely fine and understandable :) Hope to hear from you soon. The article is Fontainea Venosa

Thank you so much :)Sparklingkull (talk) 04:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

well done

It couldnt happen to a nicer person! Surviving the travails of the english wikipedia community, to intrepidly improve the field of material about the plants of oz - well done, and thanks JarrahTree 07:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello JarrahTree. Thanks mate. Gderrin (talk) 08:19, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

barn stars are never enough! trust you are safe and away from the plague! JarrahTree 07:33, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks and looking for receiving your review today!

Thank you very much for your valuable sharing and I fixed the things you advised. I would appreciate it and looking to receive your review today. Thanks again, Gderrin (talk)! Camorange (talk) 23:12, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

It is awesome!

Thank you very much for your enthusiastic help, Gderrin (talk). It's really great for me! Thanks a lot! Camorange (talk) 07:07, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Plantae Barnstar
		After thousands of articles, I'm amazed that you don't have one of these already.

Thank you (TheAwesomeAtom). Gderrin (talk) 21:07, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

I appreciate your welcome. I will go to that edit and correct the grammar, etc that you have cited. At least the ones that I can figure out how you want it to read. If you find any other mistakes, would you please just correct them or tell me how you want them corrected, not delete the entire edit. I appreciate your help so much.

Regarding Plantdrew, I followed the wiki instructions by notifying Plantdrew on their talk page using the wiki template provided, I have not accused them or reported them yet. The definition for edit war "repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree" definitely applies in this case. And also from the Edit Warring help page "An editor who repeatedly restores their preferred version is edit warring, regardless of whether those edits are justifiable. Claiming "My edits were right, so it wasn't edit warring" is not a valid defense." Plantdrew has changed edits deleting similar mentions from other editors on 8 different occasions. See below list

Thanks again for your help - 98.26.118.255 (talk) 03:10, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Uw-ew
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goodsprings%2C_Nevada&type=revision&diff=1028440439&oldid=1025534857
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goodsprings%2C_Nevada&type=revision&diff=1021948563&oldid=1021901414
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goodsprings,_Nevada&diff=prev&oldid=995545457
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goodsprings,_Nevada&diff=prev&oldid=903350671
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goodsprings,_Nevada&diff=prev&oldid=882118486
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goodsprings,_Nevada&diff=prev&oldid=840234811
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goodsprings,_Nevada&diff=prev&oldid=780585211
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goodsprings,_Nevada&diff=prev&oldid=770453720

It appears the other editor has corrected everything except it's vs its and the wording meme tourism. What other wording would you like me to use instead of meme tourism ? - 98.26.118.255 (talk) 03:19, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations!

	40,000+ edits
	Congratulations on your 40,000th edit (and more). You are a great contributor to the representation of Australian plants on Wikipedia. The image is your second upload to Commons (in case you've forgotten). Oronsay (talk) 05:28, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

threat by soil degradation and overlinking

Hi. Your revert appears a little puzzling: We are talking about immediate threats to the species in question. And you really think these weren't relevant enough to be linked? Come on. -- Kku (talk) 08:04, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

@Kku: Hello Kku - thanks for your interest in Eucalyptus alligatrix. Of course soil degradation is important and relevant, but so is ringbarking, weed invasion and grazing by livestock. Most, if not all readers of this article, will know what is meant by all of these words and phrases. On the other hand, they may not know what "coppice" and "pedicel" mean, and probably will not know where Eildon, Jamieson and the other places mentioned in the distribution are - that's why they are linked. As mentioned in the guidelines on linking, "Everyday words understood by most readers in context are usually not linked". Gderrin (talk) 08:47, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

"Soil degradation" is certainly NOT an everyday word. Just ask around and see which ideas if any on the topic you'll find. Besides, we are talking about a phenomenon that has global significance. Thus, I do not find your argument entirely convincing. -- Kku (talk) 09:44, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

@Kku: Actually "soil degradation' is not a word, but I understand your meaning. I also agree with you, - "soil retrogression and degradation" is important and has global significance. Weed invasion, ringbarking, grazing by livestock on native vegetation and inappropriate fire regimes are also of global importance. That does not justify a link for every word and phrase. I'm not sure what would be achieved by my "asking around", but soil conservation is an important issue in my country. At the national level, protecting Australia's soil is a major issue for the Department of Agriculture, Water and the Environment and at the state level the Soil Conservation Service of New South Wales is entirely devoted to the issue. The soil degradation article is valuable and well written, but linking to it from articles like this one, is not going to increase the number of people who read it. As a matter of fact, E. alligatrix is not threatened by soil degradation - it is only one of the factors affecting the small, isolated population of the subspecies limaensis. Gderrin (talk) 11:16, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

citation needed

It's customary to place a "citation needed" tag on sentences that you feel are lacking a citation, not remove the material, especially material that is not at all controversial. Also, please make an effort to find the citation first. Removal of uncited information ia a very last resort, and I will have to ask you to refrain from doing it again in cases such as Zanthoxylum ovalifolium. Abductive (reasoning) 02:35, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry - sorted now. Gderrin (talk) 07:55, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Boronia hippopala/us

See the taxonbar now at Boronia hippopala, showing the databases using the IPNI-approved spelling. It is pretty clearly an error in Latin by the authors which the ICNafp requires to be corrected. I'll fix the article later if no-one else does. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

@Peter coxhead: I don't get it! Which authors? Neither Boronia hippopala nor B. hippopalus is mentioned in Duretto's Taxon (2020) paper. In his original paper in Muelleria (2003), Duretto gave the spelling B. hippopala. I can't find the incorrect spelling anywhere, other than in PoWO and IPNI. Unless I have a very different understanding of English from you, the correct spelling, according to both Duretto and the Code, is B. hippopala. The other issue is that after "Former species", you have "Species no longer placed in Boronia include Boronia acanthoclada". Are you intending to create new Cyanothamnus articles with redirects from the old names? Nevertheless, I do appreciate the work you've done in updating the species list, incorporating the conclusions of the Taxon paper. Thank you. Gderrin (talk) 23:33, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Duretto gave the spelling of the epithet as hippopala as though it were an adjective agreeing with Boronia. However, if as IPNI says, it's derived from hippo and palus, palus isn't an adjective but a noun (as Stearn's Botanical Latin says on p. 460 in my edition – the normal adjective used from palus is palustris.) There's no adjective palus from which the feminine pala could be derived. Art. 60.1 of the ICNafp says "The original spelling of a name or epithet is to be retained, except for the correction of typographical or orthographical errors and the standardizations imposed by [list] 60.8 (terminations)". Art. 32.2 says "Names of species or infraspecific taxa are validly published even when their epithets were published with an improper Latin or transcribed Greek termination but otherwise in accordance with this Code; they are to be changed to accord with [ref to articles giving the rules]". Thus, on this analysis, the termination is wrong, and is required to be standardized. Hence IPNI corrected the epithet to hippopalus, which all the Kew databases and Tropicos use. The form hippopala can more neutrally be described as an orthographical variant, so it's better to change to this, I think.

On the second issue, well, all the articles do need moving to Cyanothamnus at some point; the evidence that Boronia needs to be split seems clear in both doi:10.1002/tax.12242 (the authors of which are all Australian) and the Appelhans paper. I suppose I'll get round to it eventually if no-one else does first. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:42, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@Peter coxhead: Thanks for your detailed explanation. Sure looks wrong, but I agree with you that apparently Boronia hippopalus is correct. I'm happy to change the name of the article with an explanation. I confess that normally I'd object to changing the source from APC to PoWO, but since Marco Duretto is an authority on Boronia, having named many of them and the APC is slow to update, I'm comfortable with the change. I'm happy to do the necessary updates and redirects. We may be able to get back to APC in a year or five! Gderrin (talk) 06:52, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm only using PoWO for the species lists because it seems to have mainly been updated for the recent changes to Rutaceae classification (at least as far as this summary – can't expect any changes in the very new 2021 paper yet). Where sources like Duretto et al. or Appelhans et al. differ from PoWO in regard to genera, I'm using them, but the problem can be that only older sources have comprehensive species lists.

I'll very happily leave you to move the relevant Boronia articles to Cyanothamnus! :-) Peter coxhead (talk) 08:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Fantastic work moving all those articles to Cyanothamnus! Peter coxhead (talk) 19:21, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Gastrodia agnicellus

Unless I'm missing something? YorkshireExpat (talk) 17:58, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@YorkshireExpat: Hello YorkshireExpat. That was a definite brain fade. Sorry. I reverted your edit, added a note to the same effect at the bottom of the list, and added Gastrodia agnicellus to the species list, all quite carefully and deliberately! Now have a headache from banging my head on the desk. Gderrin (talk) 21:32, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@Gderrin: No worries. Please don't bang it too hard! YorkshireExpat (talk) 15:17, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Myrtaceae genera

Hi, this paper, with all Australian editors, merges a lot of Myrtaceae genera native to Australia into Melaleuca:

• Beaufortia
• Calothamnus
• Conothamnus
• Eremaea
• Lamarchea
• Phymatocarpus
• Regelia

I've checked some of these, and so far, as far as I can see, APC doesn't accept the mergers, although all are accepted by PoWO, and most by APweb here. So I'm hesitating as to what to do. Thoughts? Peter coxhead (talk) 14:04, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Peter coxhead: Long story, short. I basically started this WP journey with Melaleuca and bought Lyndley Craven's monograph. Craven considered Callistemon a synonym of Melaleuca. (More to the story here.) I believed at the time, that since I was using Craven's monograph, I should follow Craven's taxonomy. Two problems now - the Australian Plant Census and most Australian herbaria do not agree with Craven (now deceased) and new species of Callistemon have been described with no equivalent in Melaleuca. (eg. Callistemon purpurascens - the only Callistemon accepted by POWO!). I have the "feeling" that most Australian botanists consider Callistemon to be distinct from Melaleuca, agree with Udovicic and Spencer, and would be even more strongly opposed to merging Beaufortia and the others. (Makes me wonder - on what basis does POWO decide to go with Craven and not the APC?) Gderrin (talk) 21:14, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been a bit slow in getting back to this thread (distracted by a technical issue over italicization). (Just as a side point, PoWO doesn't "accept" Callistemon purpurascens; it treats it as "unplaced", which is its usual practice when it doesn't accept the genus but there's no published name in the genus it wants to use.) PoWO, in general, seems to side with "lumpers" rather than "splitters", so its treatment of these genera isn't too surprising. Anyway, provided that APC is referenced, I agree that it's better to leave these genera as they are. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:35, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

References

@Peter coxhead: No drama - thanks for the reply. Gderrin (talk) 07:27, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

I got impressed with your work Bursaria reevesii. Happy editing Onmyway22 talk 09:04, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

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Baeckia

Jeez, nice spot of the reclassification of the Baeckia species. Thanks for moving all of those over. We are all counting down to the day when COVID arrives en masse in WA and making the most of a hot summer. Hope all is well. Best Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 08:10, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

• Thanks mate - all well. I'm also counting to when I can visit again. Planning to photo hundred of species! Gderrin (talk) 10:14, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Speedy fix of my edit

In the article herbaceous plants I was going to make some fixes to my "unreverted" edit in a hour before, then you came did a whooping 12... 12 edits, so quickly. thanks for helping me with that, 100% it was unexpected. I was considering a barnstar actually. Dawn Lim (talk) 14:49, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

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Red panda by LittleJerry and BhagyaMani White-headed fruit dove by AryKun List of ochotonids by PresN Guadeloupe woodpecker by OnlyFixingProse, reviewed by Ealdgyth Magnetoreception by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Mover of molehills Macauley Island by Jo-Jo Eumerus, reviewed by Ealdgyth Black-breasted buttonquail by Casliber, reviewed by Ealdgyth Florence Merriam Bailey by GhostRiver, reviewed by SquareInARoundHole

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Black-breasted buttonquail by Casliber List of birds of Tuvalu by AryKun List of cingulates by PresN List of didelphimorphs by PresN Stegotherium by Larrayal Resplendent quetzal by SadAttorney613 Electroreception and electrogenesis by Chiswick Chap Muja (alligator) by Amanuensis Balkanicus Punctelia graminicola by Esculenta Siegfried Huneck by Esculenta Abiogenesis by Chiswick Chap

News at a glance

• The second round of the WikiCup ends with three TOL editors moving into the third round: AryKun, Ealdgyth, and GhostRiver.

April DYKs

Whitehead's broadbill

Anaea aidea

• ... that the rare Somali pigeon urgently needs a population survey? (April 1)
• ... that Darth Vader's anal shield has a "pronounced bell shape"? (April 2)
• ... that lichexanthone, a chemical found in some lichens, enhances human sperm motility and kills mosquito larvae? (April 3)
• ... that raptor persecution is a crime against birds of prey, and in Scotland, ravens are afforded honorary raptor status? (April 4)
• ... that the chestnut-hooded laughingthrush feeds on insects that have been hit by vehicles? (April 7)
• ... that the calls of Whitehead's broadbill (example pictured) resemble those of trogons, woodpeckers, and jays? (April 10)
• ... that the nests of Hose's broadbill have tails? (April 12)
• ... that butterflies of the genus Anaea (example pictured) are said to have "commanded the admiration of even the most gold-mad conquistadores"? (April 16)
• ... that despite being described in 1840, the chestnut-backed buttonquail was only confirmed in Queensland in 2020? (April 21)
• ... that a species in the genus of sponges Pseudoceratina produces a chemical that can help prevent migration of metastatic breast cancer cells? (April 22)
• ... that Ulmus chuchuanus had to be renamed due to another fossil already having its original name? (April 26)
• ... that a walrus was given his own pontoon to stop him damaging other boats in St Mary's Harbour? (April 27)
• ... that magnetoreception in birds works by quantum effects in their eyes? (April 28)

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New page reviewer granted

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great thing

about olivacea is that it can be pruned and shaped, is a quick grower and have had it as a from of hedge at a few of our places - and neighbours have used it as well..

JarrahTree 10:25, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for that JarrahTree - prompted me to add a bit more about the use of Grevillea olivacea in the garden. Gderrin (talk) 11:57, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022

New Page Review queue August 2022

Hello Gderrin,

Backlog status

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators Buidhe and Zippybonzo, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to Dr vulpes who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.

Coordination

MB and Novem Linguae have taken on some of the coordination tasks. Please let them know if you are interested in helping out. MPGuy2824 will be handling recognition, and will be retroactively awarding the annual barnstars that have not been issued for a few years.

Open letter to the WMF

The Page Curation software needs urgent attention. There are dozens of bug fixes and enhancements that are stalled (listed at Suggested improvements). We have written a letter to be sent to the WMF and we encourage as many patrollers as possible to sign it here. We are also in negotiation with the Board of Trustees to press for assistance. Better software will make the active reviewers we have more productive.

TIP - Reviewing by subject

Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.

New reviewers

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Hi Gderrin,

Invitation

For those who may have missed it in our last newsletter, here's a quick reminder to see the letter we have drafted, and if you support it, do please go ahead and sign it. If you already signed, thanks. Also, if you haven't noticed, the backlog has been trending up lately; all reviews are greatly appreciated.

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Editor of the Week

		Editor of the Week
		Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week in recognition of your great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Hughesdarren submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

I nominate Gderrin for his efforts in creating a plethora of articles on Australian flora. He has consistently and patiently improved articles and taken them from miserable stubs to start class and beyond especially for the Australian Biota project. He also contributed a mass of photographs from all over Australia on all sorts of plants. He is incredibly polite and patient with more aggressive editors and I've enjoyed all of my interactions with him. His solid editing skills, depth of knowledge, relentless work ethic and ability to engage with others make his a thoroughly deserved recipient of this award. A calm, polite and helpful article builder. Seconded by JarrahTree and Cas Liber.

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:

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Thanks again for your efforts! ―Buster7 ☎ 12:38, 27 August 2022 (UTC)