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Sorry all, I had a formatting error while trying to edit a little section and it seems that I deleted a whole load of content accidentally. Apologies, and thanks to those who corrected my mistake here by reverting the page to a previous edit. Will figure this out before I do anything else. Thanks again. Detnam1 (talk) 08:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 February 2023

It has been proposed in this section that Liberal arts education be renamed and moved to Liberal arts.

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Liberal arts education → Liberal arts – Shorter and more consistent title; see WP:AT and WP:COMMONNAME. Mast303 (talk) 00:37, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose not the same thing. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:49, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – @Mast303: Is it your intention to change the article's scope? Graham (talk) 05:51, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. We should have an article on liberal arts in general. Mast303 (talk) 01:17, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That seems like a rather different rationale from your initial proposal. Graham (talk) 02:52, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, if you want to do that, changing the scope of this article, you should get consensus for that first. I think you would find it a rather more slippery concept than you imagine. Johnbod (talk) 05:24, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not the same thing. Johnbod (talk) 05:53, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - By judging the article's current content, clearly "education" is an extraneous appendage to the article's topic and title. "Liberal arts" is a shorter Boolean search term, and the succinctness of the title would offer a better grasp of the topic more broadly, with a subsection to address the topic pedagogically. I fully support the change. Sapienna (talk) 02:13, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But literally the whole article is about education! Johnbod (talk) 22:33, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnbod, @In ictu occuli: We should not only move, but also make the article about liberal arts in general. Then, we should devote a section to Liberal arts education. I might also consider splitting off this article into Liberal arts. Mast303 (talk) 22:35, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What does "splitting off this article into Liberal arts" mean? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:40, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I propose having an article on liberal arts (in general) and another article specific to liberal arts education. Or we could have a section on liberal arts education. Mast303 (talk) 22:42, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would support a new article on the liberal arts in general. That doesn't require doing anything to this one. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:46, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's a moving target! We already have Trivium and Quadrivium, between them covering the 7 arts in the classical and medieval idea of the term, plus articles on all the much longer list of subjects that might be covered by the modern idea of the term (see the article). I'm not sure anything else is needed. Anyway, as you say, only a link or two would be needed here. On the other hand, the lead could do with an expansion clarifying the difference between the older 7 and the much wider modern range. That's all in the article now, but somewhat buried in the dense 2nd section. The very last thing we need imo is a listy series of short paras explaining everything given in the article for modern areas:

The modern use of the term liberal arts consists of four areas: the natural sciences, social sciences, arts, and humanities. Academic areas that are associated with the term liberal arts include:
Life sciences (biology, ecology, neuroscience)
Physical science (physics, astronomy, chemistry, physical geography)
Logic, mathematics, statistics, computer science
Philosophy
History
Social science (anthropology, economics, human geography, linguistics, political science, jurisprudence, psychology, and sociology)
Creative arts (fine arts, music, performing arts, literature)

Johnbod (talk) 23:21, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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