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December 11

Question about citing a performance of a work by a contemporary American composer

Can a You Tube video be cited as a reference? I'm trying to post a performance from the Zagreb World Saxophone Congress of 2018. Here is the you tube link put up by Adolphesax.com (AlophesaxTV): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzF-Xig75Yk

I tried to use the cite web template, but failed miserably, as you can see here: "WATCH: Zagreb World Saxophone Congress 2018, with Robert Young, Soloist, performing Edward Green's Concerto for Saxophone & Strings" (video). Adolpjesax.com. May 12, 2018. http://worldsaxcongress2018.adolphesa...

Thanks so much for your help.Trouver (talk) Trouver (talk) 00:21, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Trouver, you had "]" where you needed "|", and you attempted to link the publisher. This -- "WATCH: Zagreb World Saxophone Congress 2018, with Robert Young, Soloist, performing Edward Green's Concerto for Saxophone & Strings" (video). Adolpjesax.com. May 12, 2018. -- I think fixes the immediate markup problems. -- Hoary (talk) 05:09, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Trouver YouTube videos are not usually considered to be reliable sources. I am not sure about this one. Please see WP:YouTube. David10244 (talk) 12:13, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Usually better to use {{cite av media}}:

{{cite av media |last=|title=Zagreb World Saxophone Congress 2018: Edward Green: Concerto for Saxophone & Strings: Robert Young, Soloist |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqYa_Wm4nhM&t=36296s |publisher=AdolphesaxTV |time=10:04:56 |date=May 12, 2018 |via=YouTube}}

Zagreb World Saxophone Congress 2018: Edward Green: Concerto for Saxophone & Strings: Robert Young, Soloist. AdolphesaxTV. May 12, 2018. Event occurs at 10:04:56 – via YouTube.

I retitled the citation because 'WATCH: <anything>' sounds much-to-much like an advert and isn't actually part of the title at the YouTube landing page. YouTube is the distributor and AdolphesaxTV is the publisher so |via=YouTube and |publisher=AdolphesaxTV. |time=10:04:56 for the avoidance of astonishment.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:58, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Don't want to produce an ad but also feel it's good to see/hear a sample. Thanks to everyone.Trouver (talk) Trouver (talk) 17:22, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Donations

I would be willing to donate. However there is an ongoing disinformation campaign hosted by this site against Dave Polides the missing 411 topic. Give him control to edit his page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.3.96.42 (talk) 03:13, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

People generally aren't allowed to edit pages about themselves, because that's a major conflict of interest. If there are any issues with the article, I suggest going to the article's talk page and making specific suggestions for what should be changed. If you want to change any of the information on the article, make sure to provide reliable sources that support these changes. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:51, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I had to do a Google search to find out which article it's about. David Paulides is semi-protected so you cannot edit it but you can post to Talk:David Paulides. Check the content and Talk:David Paulides/Archive 1 before posting. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Please provide a link to the "ongoing disinformation campaign hosted by this site". -- Hoary (talk) 04:49, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Experienced Wikipedia editors will never pay any attention whatsoever to your willingness or unwillingness to donate as a reason to modify encyclopedia content. If you choose to donate, it will not even go to the English Wikipedia. It will go to the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts hundreds of free knowledge projects. They are rolling in excess cash, so if you do not want to to donate money, do not donate. We care nothing whatsoever about that here on English Wikipedia. We care only about the quality of the encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 04:54, 11 December 2022 (UTC

Oh yes, Dave Paulides (you misspelled the name) is a Bigfoot kook and missing persons conspiracy theorist, and his Wikipedia article will continue to describe him that way because that is exactly what he is. We will never whitewash his kookery. Please donate instead to kook websites that spread his crank theories. Cullen328 (talk) 05:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Do not archive articles in search engines

Why was this article that I created not archived in search engines? Is it a draft??

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Badoer

Kareem37 (talk) 10:00, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Articles are only indexed either after being patrolled, or failing that, 90 days after creation. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 10:03, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Can you review the article and tell me whether it is acceptable or not Kareem37 (talk) 10:26, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

It is listed at Special:NewPagesFeed but so are more than 14000 other articles. Is there any good reason why your article ought to be reviewed ahead of the others? There is no deadline. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:32, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

No, but I want to know if it will be deleted Kareem37 (talk) 10:58, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Kareem37: The photo on the page has been created and uploaded by you, so says its licensing details. Do you know Ricardo Badoer? Bazza (talk) 11:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

What will it be useful to know him or not to know him Kareem37 (talk) 11:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

It is important - do you work for this person? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:39, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Kareem37 In the absence of a straight "no" answer from you, I will assume that you do know him. You need to read WP:COI and do what it instructs. If you are being paid to write the article, then you should also read and follow WP:PAID. You might also look at WP:NBASIC to work out for yourself whether you think this person is notable enough to have a Wikipedia article about him. Bazza (talk) 11:40, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, I do not know him and do not work for him, but he is a distinguished personality and deserves an article about him, especially since he owns two football clubs, about which there are two articles on Wikipedia. CDE Ursaria Wazito F.C. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kareem37 (talk • contribs) 11:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

How did you take an image of him? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:58, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I got the picture from Twitter Kareem37 (talk) 12:05, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

So you're saying that it's not your own work? -- Hoary (talk) 12:10, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Having a distinguished personality is not the same as being "notable", which is achieved by satisfying one (or more) of Wikipedia's criteria for "notability". Please see WP:PERSON. -- Hoary (talk) 12:10, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Kareem37 You can't copy a picture from Twitter and post it here. I wish that whenever someone chooses "own work", that they are asked a few questions, primarily "Did you take this picture yourself with your own camera?". That's what "own work" means. David10244 (talk) 12:20, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Kareem37: A reverse image search for the photo you uploaded turned up no results. Please link where on Twitter you got that image from. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

As you can see, it achieves notability. I reviewed the conditions of notability and published the article. It was accepted and ratings were added to it by bots and other users. Kareem37 (talk) 12:17, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Kareem37 I think you are wrong; I don't see where ratings were added by "other users". It's a stub, which is low on the ratings scale. David10244 (talk) 12:23, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Can you tell me what changes are required for the article to be accepted as you see it is my first article Kareem37 (talk) 12:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I suspect it might be hopeless. Articles on this person have failed WP:AFD one and WP:AFC three times. See also Draft:Ricardo Badoer. DMacks (talk) 12:32, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Kareem37 Free advice: you've only been on Wikipedia for 7 days yet you're already arguing with long-established editors about what you can and can't do, and have been untruthful about using an image which you say is yours but is not. Forget about creating an article; go and find one which already exists and you find interesting, and have a go at improving it. Wazito F.C. is need of some decent references. When you've done that, find another. Bazza (talk) 12:46, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh I'm sorry Thanks for everything Kareem37 (talk) 12:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

how to publish edits

When I try to publish the changes I made to a Wikipedia page I get an error message that reads: Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 404): (no message).

What am I doing wrong? I added two new images that I posted on Wikimedia first, as well as significant textual changes to several paragraphs at the beginning of the current article. Womenshistorian (talk) 17:14, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

When I tried to publishes changes to an article I got this error message: Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 404): (no message). What am I doing wrong? Womenshistorian (talk) 17:16, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Womenshistorian. You're almost certainly not doing anything wrong. That message indicates a problem with an internet connection somewhere between your computer and the Wikimedia servers. Please try again. If it continues, ask about it at WP:VPT. ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I appreciate the support. Seems I took too long to make my edits. Fortunately I had saved my work. Womenshistorian (talk) 00:52, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@Womenshistorian How long did you have the editor open while making the changes? If you have the editor open for more than 24 hours the server will discard your changes and error when you try to save them. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 13:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much. That must be it! I did leave it overnight. Fortunately I had saved it all. Womenshistorian (talk) 00:50, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia article has no link in sidebar to Commons

Let us take two Wikipedia articles that have corresponding categories in Commons. When you look at one article, a link to the Commons category is displayed in the lefthand menu. Another article does not. Why? Here is an example: Inglewood Oil Field. To address the problem, I inserted a link in the body using brackets around "commonscat" and the name of the category. Is there a way instead to fix the menu? Those links are more visible to the reader. Downtowngal (talk) 19:28, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Downtowngal, the sidebar links are generated by Wikidata, so I have now linked Commons:Category:Inglewood Oil Field to the same Wikidata item as Inglewood Oil Field. TSventon (talk) 19:38, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I run across this problem not infrequently. Is there some way I can notify the responsible person to insert the link? Downtowngal (talk) 19:41, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

And furthermore, sometimes I create a Commons category that corresponds to a Wikipedia page. What needs to happen for that link to be made in the sidebar? Is there a procedure I can follow? Downtowngal (talk) 19:43, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

By responsible person, do you mean the person who created the Commons category? You could look at the history of the category and post to its creator's talk page.

You can click on edit links in the left sidebar and a pop up will appear where you can add the language en and the article name. Alternatively you can add commons and the category name to Multilingual sites at the end of the Wikidata page. Incidentally if the article has an eponymous category, then I believe that the Commons category links there. TSventon (talk) 20:09, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

"You can click on edit links in the left sidebar and a pop up will appear where you can add the language en and the article name." Got it. That works. Thank you. Downtowngal (talk) 20:20, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Time out

How do I change to desktop version? The page New York keeps saying 'connection timed out' on my phone. 204.237.89.69 (talk) 20:23, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Scroll to the very bottom of any Wikipedia page in mobile view, and there will be a link that you can click to change to the desktop site. Cullen328 (talk) 20:36, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. 204.237.89.69 (talk) 04:50, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Unable to add MOSNUM script

I added User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates to my common.js, but I don't see the tools in the menu on the left side of the page. I have cleared my cache. Is there some gadget involved, or something else I need to do? —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 22:35, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Lights and freedom: The tool is active on edit pages. Please post a link where you don't see it. Is it missing on https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Example&action=edit? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Yes it is, thank you. I didn't realize you had to go into edit mode to see it. —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 23:43, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Sending a GA article to Afd

Hi folks!!, would it considered normal practice to send a GA article to Afd for discussion. I think I have an article that is GA and it is a pile of junk. scope_creep^Talk 22:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

There's no issue with nominating any article, regardless of its class. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:17, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Lee Vilenski:. That clears it up for me. scope_creep^Talk 03:03, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Past examples of GAs and even FAs brought to AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Concerned (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lewis (baseball) (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 tour of She Has a Name * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:15, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi scope_creep. Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should do it. Since GA articles tend to undergo a more formal review than perhaps some other articles, you might want to proceed WP:CAUTIOUSly here and make sure to do a thorough WP:BEFORE and WP:PRESERVE before actually bring such an article to AfD. It might even be a good idea to try and get relevant WikiProjects involved as well to see what others might think. You should also take a look at the GA review for the article to see whether any concerns you might have were previously raised by others and to compare the current version of the article to the one that was reviewed. It's possible the article was actually made worse since it was upgraded to GA status and reverting back to that version might be all that needs to be done. Finally, nominating an article for deletion a month after it was kept by consensus at a previous AfD is generally not a wise thing to do since it can be seen as an unwillingness to accept the first consensus. Since it's so soon after the first AfD, it might've been better to explore WP:CLOSECHALLENGE or WP:DRV first — Marchjuly (talk) 03:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Marchjuly: I value your advice, although I never checked if the article had been at Afd before as I was really busy yesterday. If I did see it, I probably wouldn't have done it, but it is done now as the article is now at Afd. I did a WP:BEFORE and I found nothing of worth. What I did see was a very large and well constructed and designed source analysis table at DYK which was built by two good excellent administrators and it didn't single entry that proved the business as being notable. Not one entry. I have strong belief that it must be deleted. I think I probably have a severe cultural gap although I've spent a ton of time in America in the 1990's, months and months at a time, perhaps its the generational thing I'm in. It is not a famous restuarant, like Pastis in New York, or Le Foucault in Paris. I cannot understand the elevation of the mediocre and generic to such a height, that clearly breaks the Terms of Use as a brochure advertising article. It is the most mundane thing. scope_creep^Talk 09:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

It perhaps worth pointing out that the source assessment table in the original Afd is about a 1/3 the size of the new table and there is not WP:THREE entries that qualifies as WP:SECONDARY sources. scope_creep^Talk 10:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 10:24, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

December 12

Please can the Swiss and Nepalese flags not be distorted when thumbnail versions are used?

The flags of Switzerland and Nepal do not fit the usual rectangular shape. When they are shown in thumbnail format, e.g. on international football pages, the flags are distorted, so that they look more rectangular. Please can it be fixed so that the thumbnails of these flags maintain their proper dimensions.

See for example the flag thumbnails on these pages:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(AFC)

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2800:98:104B:3BB3:0:0:9A03:1501 (talk) 05:10, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid I don't get what you're saying. I've looked at the first of those on both my computer and my phone, and the Swiss flag looks square to me, as it should be. ColinFine (talk) 10:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

In mobile view on my laptop the Swiss flag is square in the "Summary" section, but rectangular in the "Seeding" section. The former uses {{fb-big}} whereas the latter uses {{fb}}. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:07, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I have added a specific example to {{fb}} and {{fb-big}} to demonstrate aspect preservation. Both show a square image for Switzerland, the same as here:

• Switzerland using {{fb}}
• 
  Switzerland using {{fb-big}}

Bazza (talk) 11:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm still seeing the same. In desktop view both are square, but in mobile view {{fb}} (the top one in your example) is displayed as rectangular. This distinction happens on my Android phone, and with 3 different browsers on my Windows laptop. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@David Biddulph Both are square in the desktop view, and in the Android Wikipedia app. In the mobile view the {{fb}} version is rectangular. Chrome report the image's intrinsic size as 16 x 16 px, but its rendered size as 25 × 16 px. The img is inside a span.flagicon element. The {{fb-big}} version has no such containing element. The page's styling has a setting min-width: 25px; for .flagicon img, which seems to be the culprit. This is set in the page's head's style tag, so some techy help will be needed to find out why and fix it. Bazza (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

This isn't the Teahouse. :P —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:37, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

bill browning "dark hollow" entry

Bill Browning Entry is my article but I am not cited or credited. It is a verbatim reprint of my article "Bill Browning: The Forgotten Man Behind 'Dark Hollow'" printed in the 2017 edition of "The International Country Music Journal." 2600:1700:D020:1AE0:872:E854:3329:E922 (talk) 06:21, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I assume this is about the article Bill Browning? Its referencing needs some work. Maproom (talk) 08:14, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Afaict, per [1] you are more or less correct and that is against WP rules. @Anachronist or other admin, does the article history need revdels? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

It seems someone copypasted your article into wp in 2019 [2] and it has essentially stayed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: I don't think it's practical to revdel all that history, particularly since the diff you found did contain credit to the original author. I have removed or rewritten the remaining copyvio content and cited the source above mentioned by the OP. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:58, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I noted that the editor wasn't trying to hide anything. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:00, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia a non-profit?

Why is Wikipedia a non-profit? Couldn't they achieve what they have and even more while being for-profit? Wouldn't not having to rely on donations give them more room to do even more amazing things? Teffin (talk) 06:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

They (the Wikimedia Foundation) don't rely on our donations. They have far more money than they need to keep Wikipedia running and expanding. They spend much of it on things that they may consider amazing. Maproom (talk) 08:21, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

In general @Maproom:, if you're answering Helpdesk/Teahouse, the answer should either be non-disputed, note it as one aspect, or provide other positions for a rounded answer Nosebagbear (talk)

@Teffin: I'm not directly sure if your query is actually intending to be "for profit" or just to not ask for donations (presumably running ads or utilising subscriptions etc). The former is now impossible - a for-profit fork could start-up, using our dataset for their initial articles, but the Wikimedia Foundation can't convert to a for-profit company. We could, legally, run ads - it's a perennial proposal. A list for and against ads can be found at those links. It's a little out of data as it was a user gathered list from a decade back, but most still hold up. My personal estimate, and one I hear a lot, is that a huge fraction of the established editor base would walk in such a case. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

"the Wikimedia Foundation can't convert to a for-profit company" I'm a bit confused by this. Could you possibly explain where you're finding something that says a non-profit can't change to a for-profit? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi protected page edit request

I asked for this edit request a week ago. Till now no response. Can anybody do it. 103.154.37.79 (talk) 08:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

That looks to me like a very constructive request. But I know nothing about films or WP's policies concerning them. I hope another Help desk host will have a look. Maproom (talk) 08:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I've provided reliable sources for it. Read sources. You only need to change X to Y. 103.154.37.79 (talk) 08:28, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, no. "Read sources"? I looked at the first one, for the film took a grand opening at the box office in August 2012. I have to look at it, because until I do, I don't understand "take a grand opening". (I'd guess "have a good opening", but am not sure.) The link seems to be to the augustly titled Times of India, which I believe is infamous for paid adulatory reviews. But actually the link is to a video. Oh dear, I think, do I have to spend time watching a video? But that problem kind of evaporates when I'm told "Video not available". -- Hoary (talk) 08:53, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for first link, video not available. But rest all links are working. Leave first line and do others. You can ask me if you have any doubts. 103.166.245.200 (talk) 09:57, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

You might need to revise your request to remove the broken link, and remove the material that the link supports. The second reference is also Times of India, which is not a reliable source. David10244 (talk) 08:45, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@David10244: I've revised and removed Times of India source. Please do it. 103.154.37.42 (talk) 12:17, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

You said that you have removed the source, then you ask me to do it. This is confusing, and I am not inclined to edit someone else's edit request. The Tines of India source is still in the edit request. I will let you remove it. David10244 (talk) 14:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@David10244: I already removed. But somebody reverted my edit. Now you check this. Please. 103.154.37.38 (talk) 14:30, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not inclined to edit someone else's edit request. Maybe someone else will do it. David10244 (talk) 04:48, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Am I permitted to use ChatGPT to help me contribute to Wikipedia?

ChatGPT is a new technology that can write anything, and I am impressed at its accuracy and clarity. Can I use it to help me write content, provided that I find reliable sources by myself to back up its claims? Thanks! Félix An (talk) 10:43, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

ChatGPT is a chatbot so I don't see how it would help you write Wikipedia content, but as long as you can back up the content with reliable sources there might not be a problem. Does it harvest content from Wikipedia? I note that ChatGPT's factual accuracy (when answering questions) has been criticized. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Félix An: That might be forbidden by WP:BOTPOL, but I would question whether it is wise even if allowed.

"Write first, source later" is a major failure mode for newcomers. The problem is that it takes as much or more time to fix the errors in the first draft than to write it from scratch. In their case it’s because of notability requirements, but I feel you will have a similar problem with verifiability. Currently, ChatGPT is very good at well-written sentences that confidently assert utter falsities.

Even if you pay attention to sourcing, there is a problem of confirmation bias. Suppose ChatGPT writes that X is caused by Y. You diligently search "Y causes X", you find a source, you add it. All good? Well, maybe there is a controversy in the scientific literature about the cases of X, but the search string you used (premised on the answer you expected) only showed one side of the results.

As an example, I searched for "volcanism caused dinosaur extinction". Of the ten top results, half says that volcanism did cause extinction, the other half are somewhere between "maybe, there’s still controversy" and "it was a significant contributing factor though maybe not the only one". Those are serious-looking sources like this one, not crank blog posts, but those are still a minority viewpoint. For reference, the current scientific consensus is that an asteroid impact was the main cause; there is still debate about how much volcanism contributed but (as of 2022) it is not believed to be the main cause of the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Félix An: "can write anything", sure. "Clarity", sure. "Accuracy", definitely not. ChatGPT can write total bullshit, while sounding well-informed and convincing.

Example of bullshit

Suppose you roll two six-sided dice. What is the probability that both dice show an even number? The probability that both dice show an even number is 3/6 = 1/2. Can you explain why? Yes. There are six possible outcomes when rolling two six-sided dice: (1,1), (1,2), (2,1), (2,2), (3,3), and (4,4). Of these six outcomes, three of them show an even number on both dice: (2,2), (3,3), and (4,4). Therefore, the probability of both dice showing an even number is 3/6 = 1/2.

So, don't use it to contribute to Wikipedia. And don't believe it if it offers to sell you a bridge. Maproom (talk) 11:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I haven't done math in a long time... Is the answer 1/4? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:30, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, 1/2 1/4 is correct. ChatGPT's claim that there are six possible outcomes from throwing two dice is wrong. So is its apparent belief that 3 is even. Maproom (talk) 12:55, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Did you mean 1/4 is correct? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

And double sixes are impossible, bad news for board game players etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:43, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

There is a discussion at WT:Teahouse#ChatGPT tries to answer Teahouse questions which is relevant. If by "contribute to Wikipedia" one means "answer routine Teahouse questions" there may well be a role for ChatGPT, once it has an API. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:26, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Mythology Imagery

Are there any official policy pages around what imagery to use in articles about mythological gods, for the purpose of showing the god visually, or, more likely, some broader policy that applies here? User1042 (talk) 12:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@User1042, I don't think so, beyond WP:LEADIMAGE and WP:CONSENSUS. I like ancient and beautiful, myself. Noted works of art or at least artists if you can get them, but of course ancient stuff will often have unknown artists. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Re: Passing off

Someone is regularly signing in to Wikipedia and deliberately changing the URL of Precious Wilson's official website, and passing off as Precious Wilson who was the original lead singer of the 70s Soul/Pop/Disco band Eruption, to mislead people.

This action of misrepresentation is damaging Precious Wilson's ability to earn from her body of work, and is affecting her business, causing financial and reputational damage.

We are happy to provide proof and evidence from the record company, producers etc. that www.preciouswilson.com is the official website of the real artist, who is based in London, England in the UK, and not in Eastern Europe.

Each time the URL is corrected back to www.preciouswilson.com. Whoever is adding this misinformation, changes it back to the fraudulent URL www.preciouswilsoneruption

How can this be prevented? We would appreciate your assistance SugarandSpice (talk) 12:46, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I see that the person making these changes has also been changing, and adding, the URLs for other artists' "official" web sites. Maybe some fraud is involved. I wonder if there's someone, here or in the WMF, who knows how best to handle things when it seems that Wikipedia is being used for fraud? Maproom (talk) 13:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

SugarandSpice, if you are being paid by Precious Wilson, then you are required to disclose this on your user page per WP:PAID. Wikimedia accounts may only be controlled by one person. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:11, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

It appears that Qostik has not been editing recently. I suspect they may have stopped, or more likely moved on to another account. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Qostik's most recent edit (a few weeks ago) was reverted, but subsequently a similar edit was made by Special:Contributions/2001:7D0:4C00:5F00:895E:DD41:1FD8:991E. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:24, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

The website link was previously changed by Filipoks on 13 May 2022. TSventon (talk) 14:16, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi there,

I am Precious Wilson.

This is why it is so upsetting.

It all started because my management and I refused to sign to their agency exclusively.

They even have a fake WhatApp "chat with us" on the fake site.

We have written to Google and the domain name provider and have had with no response.

But at least if they can be prevented from removing my official website URK link from Wikipedia, that would be a big help. SugarandSpice (talk) 13:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@sugarandspice: you can revert the edit yourself, see help:reverting for how. lettherebedarklight晚安 15:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight Thank you. SugarandSpice (talk) 15:15, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Existing Wiki page update

Dear Wikipedia, There has been a Wikipedia page that was created on me a few years ago. I made an attempt to correct and update it and apparently done something incorrectly. I am new to this and don’t want the page to go away for my lack of experience in editing. I have citable sources on all the updates, but don’t know how to include them. Can you help!? Many thanks, Gregg Field 2603:8001:A401:3630:44B2:637D:51EB:5865 (talk) 17:00, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

You should not be editing the article directly, you can submit suggestions on the article's talk page with the {{request edit}} template and a reliable source. If you tell us which article it is we can help you further. Theroadislong (talk) 17:08, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

This is presumably about Gregg Field. Gregg, please read WP:AUTOPROB for some guidance. ColinFine (talk) 17:11, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

How to create your own app

So I want to create my own app that will be answering all questions needed to be answered by teenagers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.115.111.133 (talk) 17:11, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Good luck. I'm not clear why you are asking on the Wikipedia help desk. ColinFine (talk) 17:12, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Help with template

I'm trying to improve the WP:PODCASTING WikiProject layout and discovered the subpage Wikipedia:WikiProject Podcasting/to do. The subpage uses template:Help Out, which uses the following line to display the WikiProject talk page: Check the [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|talk page]] for requests for help. However, the template was added to a subpage, not the main page. So it appears redlinked because it is trying to wikilink to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Podcasting/to do. If I wanted to keep the help out template on the subpage is there a way to make the template link to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Podcasting instead or maybe just suppress the line that mentions the talk page? Or is that way too much trouble and should I just move the help out template to the main page? TipsyElephant (talk) 18:43, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello. It looks to me as if [[{{TALKSPACE}}:{{BASEPAGENAME}}]] might do it. ColinFine (talk) 22:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Would it be acceptable for me to change the template or would that cause lots of issues? Should I just recommend it on the talk page? Do you know if there is a way that I could just change it for this particular situation instead of changing the template? TipsyElephant (talk) 19:01, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I decided to just go for it and see what happens. It doesn't look like many pages use the template and it's explicitly intended for WikiProject pages so it shouldn't cause any serious issues. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:47, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

I submitted a draft, how long does the review take before it is moved to live?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ron_Fleming Randybirdhawk (talk) 19:11, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

You have not submitted for review yet? I would suggest you remove Blurb books and YouTube, they are not reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 19:28, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Randybirdhawk. Vast swathes of your draft are unreferenced and therefore fail the core content policy of Verifiability. Either provide references or remove the unreferenced content. Cullen328 (talk) 19:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok, I will work on it. This artist started in the late 40's before the internet. If I can find news publications that are paper archives how do I use those as cites? Randybirdhawk (talk) 21:03, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Randybirdhawk you could use the {{Cite News}} template. It doesn't have to be online; you just need the author, title of the article, name of the newspaper or other publication, date of the publication, and page number. There are other optional paramenters too, but that's the minimum. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 21:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Randybirdhawk (talk) 21:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Randybirdhawk, references need not be online. Please read Wikipedia:Offline sources. You want to provide the name of the publication, the title of the article, the name of the author if available, the publication date, the page number, and the city if it is not part of of the name of the publication. Cullen328 (talk)

Template:Age in years, months, weeks and days issue

Hi everyone,

There was question on Serbian Wikipedia from one of the users in regards to this template not working if you enter number 31 for a day of the start of the event. I have tried it personally in my sandbox and I have the same issue. I am getting an error "Need valid year, month, day"

All the other days work and it does not working for any of the months.

Has anyone else experienced the same issue ?

Боки ✉ 19:35, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Please give an example of which dates are not working. If I use month1=1 and day1=31 it works for me. RudolfRed (talk) 19:46, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@RudolfRed Thanks for checking it for me. I did test on my sandbox on Serbian Wikipedia. This is where you will be able to see the error mentioned. I have checked the code and I did not see anything wrong with it (I could be wrong).

Боки ✉ 22:11, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I tried it here on en wikipedia {{Age in years, months, weeks and days |month1 = 07|day1 = 31|year1 = 2022 |month2 = 12|day2 = 12| year2 = 2022}} and it produces "4 months, 1 week and 5 days". You will need to ask at the Serbian Wikipedia why it is not working there. RudolfRed (talk) 22:50, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@RudolfRed I am interface administrator of Serbian Wikipedia so I'm the one that was asked :) I have tried myself to see why is it not working and I could not figure out hence why I wanted to ask if someone else has experienced the same issue. Боки ✉ 22:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

The English Template:Age in years, months, weeks and days has one line invoking a module. The Serbian sr:Template:Age in years, months, weeks and days has a lot of template code. It's completely different and I haven't heard of issues here. This is an issue with code at the Serbian Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter **le sigh** I was looking at something completely different trying to "play around"

Issue fixed !

Thanks !!!

Боки ✉ 23:11, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Copyright of a modified image.

Is the blurring of faces on an image significant enough modification that results in a new copyright for the now modified image? 2600:6C54:7E00:C2:24BF:BDDB:DBE3:4388 (talk) 20:15, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm no expert on copyright but my guess is that it's roughly still the same image, just modified, so the original copyright would still apply, hopefully there are other editors with more experience on the subject if I'm wrong about your question. StarryNightSky11 ^☎ 20:28, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

After a google search one website result stated: "If you edit an image that you didn't create, copyright law still applies. The only way to avoid copyright infringement with images is to create unique works, purchase a licence to use an image or find a free-to-use image."

So my answer above is probably right, plus input from another user with more experience would be appreciated. StarryNightSky11 ^☎ 20:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Apparently this is about a disagreement at Talk:Larry Vickers. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:36, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

It is. The question is not whether those 2 images violated copyright or not (it was discovered that they did, I agreed and the images were deleted from the commons), the argument was about my question stated above. A Dispute Resolution editor falsely accused me of edit-warring and a third opinion page editor did not even follow third opinion guidelines with my request. So I came here.2600:6C54:7E00:C2:24BF:BDDB:DBE3:4388 (talk) 21:46, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

The best place to ask here on English Wikipedia would be WP:MCQ. There are probably more experts over at Commons, but I don't know of a specific place where they hang out over yonder. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

That'd be c:COM:VPC. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 22:15, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

When you blurred the faces, you created a new work, called a "derived work". The copyright on the original still applies to the derived work. In addition, if the blurring is creative (which it well may be) then you own the copyright on that derivation. A third party would need two licenses to publish this derived work, one from the original copyright holder and one from you. -Arch dude (talk) 03:42, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

What if only 5 faces in the image are blurred out? Is that enough creative modification that results in a new copyright?

Also what if the unmodified image can't be found and the author of the blurring modification is unknown? Should that image be used on wikipedia or not? 2600:6C54:7E00:C2:24BF:BDDB:DBE3:4388 (talk) 13:30, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Maybe and maybe. It couldn't be put on Commons, but if the non-free content criteria were met, it could still be hosted locally. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:06, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

For Commons, you need licenses for BOTH the original AND the derivation. If you cannot find the original you cannot find its license either, so you cannot put the derived work onto Commons. If the work to create the derivation, (i.e., the blurring) is "creative" then this work is copyrighted and you ALSO need a license from the person who did the blurring. Whether or not it is "creative" is a judgement call that we cannot make based purely on your description. If you cannot determine the creator(s), then the image lacks provenance: you have no way to know if it's a total fake, so we should not use it on Wikipedia. -Arch dude (talk) 16:21, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you all. 2600:6C54:7E00:C2:24BF:BDDB:DBE3:4388 (talk) 18:34, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

wikopedia asking for donations

id like to adress the recent messages i got asking to donate, well i have a problem with that because there have been some unfairly censored articles to my interest so to get my sopport id need wikipedia's support that articled and certain people editing those articles are not banned from editing , is that a promise if i donate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.210.18 (talk) 20:29, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

No, it is not. Donating will have no effect on our policies. If you have further questions, feel free to direct them to the Wikimedia Foundation, who are the ones collecting money and spending it. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

No. Donations do not determine content. email donate(@)wikimedia.org for any other questions about donating. RudolfRed (talk) 20:36, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately no that promise could not be made, requesting users be free from a ban / block in exchange for payment probably constitutes bribery and would conflict with one or multiple Wikipedia policies. Sorry StarryNightSky11 ^☎ 20:38, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• That's a promise that will never be granted. Wikipedia does not censor content based on viewpoint. We do summarize independent reliable sources- and what that is can be a matter of debate with certain topics, but that's not censorship. 331dot (talk) 21:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Copyright question

Any suggestions on where to look for guidance on the copyright status of the maps (beginning page 11) in this PDF of a California court decision?

URL: http://pw.lacounty.gov/sur/nas/County_Abstracts/7288779.pdf

They are maps of the various subdivisions that were annexed to the city of Los Angeles and they would be very helpful for various history articles. Thanks in advance. jengod (talk) 22:14, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Jengod, WP:MCQ would be a good place to ask. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 23:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

perfection! Thank you User: 199.208.172.35! jengod (talk) 23:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Joseph Bankman, aka Daniel Treccia

I tried to fix apparent vandalism at Joseph Bankman, redirected to Daniel Treccia. I didn't do it right. YoPienso (talk) 00:30, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Yopienso. The page was moved from "Joseph Bankman" to "Daniel Treccia" a few days ago with this edit. The page move may have been improper, but it was a WP:BOLD edit that's not necessarily vandalisim. If you disagree with the move, you can revert it back to the original title as explained in WP:UNDOMOVE, WP:RMUM and WP:PCM and request that a more formal discussion take place on the article's talk. The page move was also incorrectly marked a a WP:MINOR edit, but that's not necessarily a good reason for undoing the move. What's more of a problem is that the move doesn't seem to have been discussed by the mover and you and at least one other person are disagreeing with it and whether the move is justified per WP:COMMONNAME probably needs to be discussed further. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:54, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. WP:UNDOMOVE says that after the redirect's been edited, only an admin can fix it.

The reason I think this is vandalism is because my googling showed up zero returns for Joseph Bankman being better known--or even known at all--as Daniel Treccia. And names in links have been changed, but the sources they go to say nothing of any Daniel Treccia.

Somebody with more expertise and privileges than I, please fix this problem. Thank you. YoPienso (talk) 01:01, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

This is pretty obvious vandalism. YoPienso (talk) 01:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Having an article proposed for deletion isn't necessarily "pretty obvious" vandalism; it could've been just been a good-faith attempt to create an article about someone named "Dan Treccia" by someone who's not familiar with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Maybe it would be better stop worrying about whether this is vandalism and instead try and figure out how to move the page back. PrimeHunter seems to be the last administrator who posted here at the Help Desk; perhaps, they can help sort this out, -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:22, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

OK. I've contacted PrimeHunter; thank you for the lead. YoPienso (talk) 01:30, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I have moved Daniel Treccia back to Joseph Bankman without leaving a redirect. The names appear unrelated. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:55, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of this PrimeHunter. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. YoPienso (talk) 02:39, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

December 13

How to remove Special:Homepage thing

When I click on my username on the bar at the top, it takes me to this Special:Homepage thing. Is there any way to remove that? Mucube (talk) 02:04, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Disable "Default to newcomer homepage from username link in personal tools" at the bottom of Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:09, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mucube: If you also want to remove the "Homepage" tab on your userpage then disable "Display newcomer homepage". PrimeHunter (talk) 02:30, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Got it. Mucube (talk) 02:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

How To Start Editing?

How do I change these sentences and the reference footnote?

~~~~ Digitalreporter (talk) 04:35, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

This page is helpful. YoPienso (talk) 09:18, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@Digitalreporter, please don't delete posts that others have replied to, or their replies. The post will be archived in a few days. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

See the above. That is refactoring other's talk comments and is considered vandalism. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:22, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Mailing Address

You want Donations, but have NO Mailing Address, Duh.

I've been Data Breached 6X, Phished 13X and Hacked 2X! Some personal data breaches were at Banks, Gov't and major Corporations.

Wikipedia needs to have concern for the safety of personal information. This Cannot be done On-line. If I can't mail a cheque, I'm not donating anything. Others likely feel the same. 69.159.79.129 (talk) 06:12, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

There's not much anyone here the Help Desk can do to "fix" such a thing. You can try the email address given at Wikipedia:Contact us/Donors to express your dissastifaction with the way donations are accepted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Mailing address here - X201 (talk) 08:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

There is a mailing address where you can send a check or money order, if that's what you want to do. Note that the Wikimedia Foundation has a lot of cash on hand, and it's not about to go broke. But see https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give#Checks_&_money_orders_(via_mail) David10244 (talk) 09:06, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Alignment in a table

I have a table in my sandbox with 9 columns. preferably, the first two columns should left aligned, and the remainder centre aligned, but I can't find any simple way of doing this. the help page for tables seems to be saying that this is done on an individual cell level, which, for a table that will eventually have 1400 cells in it seems a tad excessive. is there a simpler way to do this? Cottonshirtτ 06:18, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@Cottonshirt: Code in each cell is indeed the usual way, also when it seems excessive. There are alternatives but they require templates and are often not worth the trouble. I have started a discussion about a possible new method: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Column alignment. It's not ready for use but maybe later. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:08, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

thank you for your reply. I found a solution that is simpler than having code in each cell. I divided it into two tables, side by side. the left two columns form one table with the default left-align, and the other table has the remaining fields with the global attribute centre-align. this makes it a little less intuitive when entering data into the table but it's a lot simpler than the alternative. thank you. Cottonshirtτ Cottonshirtτ 20:17, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@Cottonshirt: User:Cottonshirt/sandbox#Annual and cumulative scores is a very poor solution. Don't do that in articles. The second table is shown below the first on narrow screens. There are ways to avoid that but then the first table wraps some lines on narrow screens and gets two-line rows out of sync with the second table. Editing the tables is very confusing, especially in VisualEditor, and they are awful for accessibility. Screen readers don't indicate a connection between rows which are displayed next to eachother in separate tables. I found the new {{Table alignment}}. You can use that if there are no colspan and rowspan. It will break down if you use rowspan on the venue column. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:19, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@Cottonshirt: Look here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Table_alignment . I didn't know, but it looks like there is a way to align particular columns. Uporządnicki (talk) 22:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@AzseicsoK thank you for your comment. I used the Table Alignment template you linked to, and that worked well. I'm glad I asked before there were too many rows in the table because moving back from two tables to one was a dog, but it will be a lot simpler to add new rows in future and it eliminates all those scary consequences that @PrimeHunter mentioned. thank you both for your help. Cottonshirtτ 05:31, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Dangerous link

I was looking through a page and clicked a link to see a photo of The Pearce Ferry Airport in Arizona, The link is connected to a site containing illegal pornography and not the aerial photo from 1994. Can this be removed from that page? Bishop of the Road (talk) 07:03, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Bishop of the Road. External links added to articles need to comply with Wikipedia:External links; so, if you feel the link in question is of a type mentioned in WP:ELNO, then yes you may remove it. Just leave an WP:EDITSUMMARY explaining why so that others know why it was removed. Sometimes, however, external links get overwritten or otherwise become tken over by someone else as explained in WP:ELDEAD. In such a case, if you can find an archived version of the original link, then perhaps that could replace the current link. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:10, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Bishop of the Road. I see that you removed a link but when I try to look at that link in the edit history, I do not see any porn, illegal or otherwise. So, I am not sure what you saw that I am not seeing. What I will say is that you should feel free to remove porn links from any article that is not about a sexually explicit topic. Cullen328 (talk) 07:18, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@Bishop of the Road Based on what you said, and what Cullen sees, before you remove any links that show up as porn for you, maybe you should test them on another computer (or mobile device?), and make sure your devices don't have any viruses. Viruses can hijack clicked links and redirect them.. David10244 (talk) 09:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Information regarding to create a wiki page for Urban Management

I have created a wiki page for Urban Management (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Urban_Management) on 16.11.22. But till now the status of the page is showing as draft. Kindly look into the matter and help us for the same. SHS-XIM (talk) 07:16, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, SHS-XIM. If you want your draft to be reviewed, then you need to submit your draft for review though the Articles for Creation process. In general, nobody will pay any attention to a draft which has not been submitted for review. Maybe somebody will take a look now that you have mentioned it here at the Teahouse, but that is highly unlikely to be a formal review. Be sure that your draft fully complies with Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines, and when you are confident that it does, submit it. Cullen328 (talk) 07:30, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

SHS-XIM Hello and welcome. I have added the information to allow you to submit your draft for review. You say "us" above- who is "us"? 331dot (talk) 07:39, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Creating a wiki page for MarketTime

I would like to create a page for the following company: https://markettime.com/ I believe the company satisfies the criteria - how do I go about Wikipedia's processes? 47.187.221.33 (talk) 08:16, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia has articles, not pages. This is an important distinction. Creating a new article is the most challenging task to attempt on Wikipedia. Please read Your First Article and visit Articles for Creation. You will need to gather independent reliable sources with significant coverage of this company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. "Significant coverage" does not include things like press releases, announcements of routine business activities like the raising of capital or releases of a product, interviews with staff, the company website, or other primary sources. Any article you draft must summarize these sources.

If you are associated with this company, please read WP:COI and WP:PAID for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 08:21, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@331dot I hate seeing those drafts that primarily consist of information about fundraising rounds. Encyclopedias don't include that! David10244 (talk) 05:26, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

How can i Edit or Update Wikipedia for My Contribution

I am Computer Operator and Technical Person Working in Computer Filed Since 2010 to till now want Contribution in Wikipedia for improvement and help others whos search in google and Wikipedia help them for information and guide solved there problem make it more trustable Rehman2211 (talk) 11:11, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@rehman2211: if you want to start editing wikipedia, help:introduction is a great introduction. lettherebedarklight晚安 11:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I will add that there are Wikipedias in hundreds of languages; so if (as I deduce) English is not your native language, your greatest potential for contribution to this project might be to become an editor in your own native tongue rather than here in English. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:35, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

image links

how do i make an image link to something other than the image (this is, of course, on my userpage)? thanks in advance 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 13:46, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@2006toyotacorrola, does Help:Pictures#Links cover what you're looking for? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:57, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

To explain it directly, you just add a colon (:) in front of the word "File:" when linking it. So for example in order to get [[File:Example.jpg]] to display as a link instead of an image, you would type [[:File:Example.jpg]]. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:59, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

You might’ve misunderstood. I meant when i click on the image, it displays another page, rathwe than media viewer, but thanks for that anyways. 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 18:01, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes thanks 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 18:10, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Redirects for discussion

Is there a way to discuss a redirect page that redirects to protected article? 99.209.40.250 (talk) 13:50, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Why not discuss it at the place you linked? Were you told that it's not the appropriate place? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:17, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

The target page is not edited when you nominate a redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. You only need help if the redirect page is protected. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

How to add Naija details

Naija Crawl is a website where naija songs, hip-hop and all kinds of songs can be downloaded. How can its info added on wikipedia? Andresupchurch (talk) 14:11, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

By reviewing WP:NWEBSITE and Help:Your first article, then, if the criteria are met, writing and submitting an article. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:11, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Creating a wiki article for a company

Hey guys,

I want to write a wikipedia page for the company I work at. Yes, I'm fully aware that it's incredibly discouraged, and that there's a conflict of interest, but I will disclose it, and I'll be as objective as possible.

A bit of background: the company's website is enfineo.com. The product (to be released end of 2023) is going to be a platform similar to Revolut. The company itself is called Degethal, while the product is called enfineo (yes, with a lowercase "e"). We've had appearences in national media: Forbes Romania, Start-up.ro, Wall-Street.ro, so notability wise, I believe we're good. We've also appeared in some international blogs.

There's some problems which I don't know how to approach:

1. Should I write in the english wikipedia, or the romanian one? The company will serve an international market, but secondary research in english is very limited (for now).
2. Should I create 2 distinct pages for the company & the product? Or should I create one for the company, with the product (enfineo) presented there under a heading?
3. Can I use public information (databases) as sources? (in Romania, some data regarding all LLC's is public; can I use a site which shows such data as source?)

Radu Condor (talk) 14:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Forgot to mention, but thank you to everybody answering! Radu Condor (talk) 14:15, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Radu Condor, as you are paid by the company for creating the article, you must disclose on your user page, WP:PAID.

1. I would recommend the Romanian Wikipedia simply because it *probably* has more relaxed guidelines for notability. If it is successful there, then you can attempt to create the article here.
2. It depends on which is more notable. If the news sources talk about the company, then create an article on the company. If the news sources talk about the product, then create an article on the product.
3. Yes, these can be sources, but they do not count for notability.

Be careful when you say either topic is notable. Some Forbes articles are written by contributors and not Forbes, which would not count for notability. Blogs are self-published and do not count either. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 14:40, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Enquiry

Dear Sir/ Madam My name is David Kobina Andoh, a Ghanaian and President of the Ghana Photojournalists Network and staff myjoyonline.com . Please I want to find out the procedure you use to publish biographies of high profile personalities. I want my biography to be published on Wikipedia. 197.159.137.97 (talk) 14:45, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

The notability criteria for biographies are at WP:NBIO. Advice against autobiography is at WP:Autobiography, which in turn links to An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:49, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

archiving at Talk:Asian people

Can someone fix the archiving at this article talk? I'm too stupid to do anything but set up archives from scratch, and there's already one there that's probably already long enough. Valereee (talk) 17:25, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@Valereee: I'm confused. What's the issue? There's currently no arching set up. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:41, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

The existing archive 1 was created manually. I've added automatic archiving with default values, and it should follow on from the existing archive when the bot runs. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, @David Biddulph, so if I'd inserted {{subst:Setup cluebot archiving|archives=yes}} in this situation, would that work? If it were more than a single existing manual archive, would it work?

@Blaze Wolf, the issue (for me) is that if I set up archiving where there's already been manual archiving, I'm afraid I'll confuse the bot. I've tried to much about with this situation before and I tend to break stuff. I created Help:Archiving (plain and simple) because Help:Archiving talk pages was too much for me to figure out. Valereee (talk) 19:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

No actually. The bot will see that there is an archive and will archive to that archive until it hits the size that you set. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:16, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Wrong link in article

Hello in the article "List of emergency workers killed in the September 11 attacks" in Ladder 118 Scott Matthew Davidson, has a hyperlink attacked to his name. This hyperlink goes to pete davidson. If you can get ride of the hyperlink that would be amazing. Thank you 50.222.110.14 (talk) 17:38, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

According to the Pete Davidson article, he is Scott's son. That's why the hyperlink is there. Maproom (talk) 17:45, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Pete Davidson's biography includes significant information about his father, so I believe the link is appropriate. Cullen328 (talk) 17:54, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Contributions

I hv contributed last week ten euros yet still getting pop ups asking to contribute. Can u stop,pls 188.141.57.137 (talk) 19:55, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account and uncheck Preferences → Banners → Fundraising. The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past.
None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use.
If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. Wikipedia is not at risk of shutting down, and the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts the Wikipedia platform and is asking for these donations, is richer than ever.
We are led to believe that users who allow cookies are less likely to see these banners on repeat visits (further information is available here), and you are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing donate@wikimedia.org. Thank you! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

December 14

What to do with a redirect?

Hello! If I want to write an actual article for a page that currently exists as a redirect, how do I go about eventually swapping them? Deleting the redirect wikitext on the existing page and then pasting draft content, or is there a move process instead? (The redirect is the East Troublesome Fire, and whatever I write will exist as a userspace draft first) Thanks! Penitentes (talk) 01:11, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Penitentes. Have you looked at Wikipedia:Redirect? There's information on that page related to converting redirects into articles. Unless there are technical restrictions placed on the redirect's page, you should be able to simply create a new article by directly editing the redirect's page. If you're not very experienced in creating articles, you can always create a draft and submit it to WP:AFC for review. If the draft is approved by AfC. the AfC reviewer who accepts it will take care of all the stuff needed to move the draft to the article namespace. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:22, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Ah, okay, fantastic, that's the page I wanted and didn't know existed, preservig redirects and how to edit them. Thank you! Penitentes (talk) 02:10, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Renaming URL

I would like to request for changing the URL for LA CARLOTA CITY, PHILIPPINES. From www.lacarlotacity.net to lacarlotacity.gov.ph. Since the name URL was already running for the government to use. 222.127.93.209 (talk) 02:42, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP 222.127.93.209. It's not clear what your question is. Are you asking that the url address of an external link added to a Wikipedia be changed? Are you asking the url address of an external website be changed? If it's the first question, that probably can be done. You can either be WP:BOLD and do it yourself by directly editing La Carlota, Negros Occidental article; just make sure you leave an edit summary explaining why the change was made. If you're not sure how to edit the article, you can ask for help at Talk:La Carlota, Negros Occidental. If it's the second question, then there's not much that Wikipedia can do. You will need to contact whomever is in charge of the website and discuss things with them. Finally, I'm just going to note that www.lacarlotacity.net and lacarlotacity.gov.ph both seem to lead to official wesbites for the city. Is the one of the two sites no longer used by the city? The gov.ph site seems to be newer than the .net site. Is that the case? -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:29, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

My web page is creating issues.

Meta Trader 5 Mod Apk This is the link of my web page that has been making issues. Kindly look at it and tell me the solution. Thank you. Apkminion (talk) 06:38, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Apkminion, the solution is simple. Do not try to add spam links to Wikipedia. Promotional editing is strictly forbidden. Cullen328 (talk) 07:07, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

I want to create company page for my organization.

I have created wiki page for my organization 2 times. But the 2 times deleted from reviewers. Kindly help to create company page my organization. MSathis (talk) 07:32, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi MSathis. If you've already tried twice and have been unsuccessful twice, then maybe the problem is too big to be WP:OVERCOME or it might be WP:TOOSOON for an article to be written about your company. Please take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). If your company is unable to satisfy relevant Wikipedia's notability guidelines, then perhaps it would be better to try another another wesbite. One things about Wikipedia articles is that the subject's of articles have pretty much zero editorial control over article content as explained in Wikipedia:Ownership of content; so, even if you were able to have a Wikipedia article written about your company, you would have pretty much zero control over it. You wouldn't be able to use the article to promote your company in any way and all article content would need to be in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Wikipedia would be more interested in what Wikipedia:Reliable sources are saying about your company than what you might want others to know about your company. In addition, the bad things reliable source might be reporting about your company could possibly be included in the article as long as the content is in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines. Wikipedia isn't really an good way to try and increase your company's online pressence or business, and there are probably many companies who wish a Wikipedia article was never written about their company. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:07, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

The article was Chainsys, the company website is here. Like many articles about companies, it is unlikely to make it into mainspace unless it complies with WP:NCORP. Simply creating an article about a company without proper sourcing will get it deleted. See your first article for more information.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Adding a photo - would I lose rights to its usage?

I have come across a photograph of the All England XI that toured Australia in 1861. Whilst there is a photo of the team on the page (English cricket team in Australia in 1861–62) it is a different photo, and I wonder if the page would benefit from the extra photograph.

Would uploading it, however, mean that I cede rights to its usage? 2A00:23C6:C619:1001:69FF:8412:284B:9A59 (talk) 10:10, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what the law is in the UK or Australia, but if the photo is that old it is likely in the public domain and can be used by anyone. 331dot (talk) 10:14, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

US copyright law applies most often on Wikipedia, and if the photo was published back in the 19th century, it is certainly in the public domain, and you have no rights to cede. If it is a previously unpublished "found photo" from a family photo book, for example, matters get a bit more complicated. But the chance that any 1861 photo is not in the public domain is tiny. A massive trove of photos first published in 1927, 66 after your photo was taken, is coming into the public domain in a few weeks, on January 1, 2023. Cullen328 (talk) 10:42, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

If you have taken a photograph yourself, and so own the copyright, all that you do by uploading a copy to Wikimedia Commons is to grant the right to use the photo to other people, provided they attribute its source. You never give away the rights to use the image yourself for other purposes, including commercially. The only way to do that would be to deliberately give exclusive rights (i.e. excluding even yourself) via some sort of contract. As others have said, a photo from 1861 is already in the public domain from a copyright point of view, even if no-one other than you happens to possess a copy. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:37, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Also to clarify, copyright is a type of intellectual property that attaches (generally, there are exceptions) to the person who creates the work, though like any property, there ways that copyright can be transferred to another person or entity, such as a work for hire, or it can be bought, sold, given away, inherited, etc. However, copyright generally expires on works that are sufficiently old, and become "public domain" works. AFAIK, (and IANAL), there exists no copyrights on anything as old as 1861. --Jayron32 18:28, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

What to do with duplicate images

File:Commando on a toggle rope bridge.jpg is a duplicate of File:Commandos cross a river on a 'toggle bridge' under simulated artillery fire at the Commando training depot at Achnacarry in Scotland, January 1943. H26620.jpg what is the recommended course of action Aaron Liu (talk) 17:15, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Aaron Liu The images are hosted on Commons, so their policy applies. Commons:Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion includes F8. Exact or scaled-down duplicate as a reason for speedy deletion. TSventon (talk) 17:36, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

The files are on Wikimedia Commons, so the question presumably belongs there, but it might be worth looking at commons:Template:Duplicate. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:38, 14 December 2022 (UTC)