defense at home
Lawrence R. Glickman
> I've been a lurker here for a while. A couple of
> nights ago I thought I heard someone trying to
> open my door at home. But, as soon as the I heard
> the noise it stopped. It was like they were just
> checking to see if the door was unlocked. It was
> locked, of course.
> There have been a numbber of sightings of a
> peeping tom in the area and there was even one
> girl raped. A gun in the house would not have
> been as easy to access as would have been needed
> if the situation turned ugly. The only thing I
> had handy to use as a weapon was the pencil I was
> writing with. And I'm not that physically able
> anyway, I'm small (not short) and female.
> If this happens again, what would you all suggest
> for someone in my situation.
>
>
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> Before you buy.
Reinforce your door jambs. Drive extra long screws through the strike
plates into 2x4s so the door jamb can't be flexed with a crowbar ( that's
how most entry's are made ). Put a deadbolt or 2 on your door. One at knee
level, one at shoulder level.
Buy a gun and learn how to use it. Ask the gunstore owner to show you how
it works, and then take it to an indoor range and sight it in on paper
targets. Shoot a couple of hundred rounds through the weapon for your own
confidence in the firearm and handling.
Clean weapon, and keep _near_ you. Especially during the nighttime hours.
Mine is always within arms reach. always.
Lg
Arrakis
S&W .38 special.
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David Moffitt
<sueh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:80vs5i$uhi$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> I've been a lurker here for a while. A couple of
> nights ago I thought I heard someone trying to
> open my door at home. But, as soon as the I heard
> the noise it stopped. It was like they were just
> checking to see if the door was unlocked. It was
> locked, of course.
> There have been a numbber of sightings of a
> peeping tom in the area and there was even one
> girl raped. A gun in the house would not have
> been as easy to access as would have been needed
> if the situation turned ugly. The only thing I
> had handy to use as a weapon was the pencil I was
> writing with. And I'm not that physically able
> anyway, I'm small (not short) and female.
> If this happens again, what would you all suggest
> for someone in my situation.
%%% With a pencil you could give your attacker a good sucking chest wound.
He could quickly be looking out of one eye for the remainder of his life,
Hummm, let's see maybe a perforated bowel would be a good deterrent. If he
attempts to rape you pegging his gonads to the floor will make him easier to
find!
David Moffitt Lifetime NRA member------and damn proud of it!
“We should all realize that every right implies a responsibility, every
opportunity an obligation, every position a duty, and that the most
effective sermon is expressed in deeds instead of words.”
Waite Phillips, 1883-1964
sueh...@my-deja.com
nights ago I thought I heard someone trying to
open my door at home. But, as soon as the I heard
the noise it stopped. It was like they were just
checking to see if the door was unlocked. It was
locked, of course.
There have been a numbber of sightings of a
peeping tom in the area and there was even one
girl raped. A gun in the house would not have
been as easy to access as would have been needed
if the situation turned ugly. The only thing I
had handy to use as a weapon was the pencil I was
writing with. And I'm not that physically able
anyway, I'm small (not short) and female.
If this happens again, what would you all suggest
for someone in my situation.
Apple
Ma'am I strongly suggest you 1. Go buy a handgunand 2. Learn how to use it.
Number 2 is just as
important as Number 1. I gave my mother a handgun
years ago for self-defense only to find out after her
death that she never carried it because she was
afraid of it. My fault really, for not taking her
out to a range and making her put a few hundred
rounds through it.
If you live in an area that recognizes your constitutional
right to carry then go fill out any paperwork necessary
and do so. If your area doesn't, then decide whether the
risks of getting caught with it outweigh the risks of not
having it when you need it.
When out in public just be aware of who is around
you. Try to avoid the dreaded dark parking lot and if
you absolutely must be in such a potential danger zone
just stay alert and aware.
For your home:
Keep a gun near your bed.
Reinforce your outer doors, deadbolts, chains etc..
Consider reinforcing the door to your bedroom
to create an inner "safe room"
They may be able to defeat all these barriers
you've put up but it will certainly cause enough
racket to wake you up and give you enough time
to grab the gun next to your bed.
If you find yourself in a physical struggle without
your gun use anything around you to fight with.
Scissors, steak knives, keys, etc.. can all be used
with moderate strength to really inflict harm.
Make sure while you're beating the shit out of
him that you're screaming bloody murder, this
will alert anyone nearby that there's trouble and
scare the hell out of him and maybe send him
running. One last thing, this may be a movie cliche
but it's a real one, punch/kick him in the nads.
Take it from a guy who learned this the hard way,
one punch or kick to the genitals WILL put a man
on the floor. Men are so sensitive there that I think
if every woman used this defense rapes would
be cut in half overnight.
It literally makes me cry that in 1999 in America
a woman can't feel safe in her own home. Oh well,
I've said a little prayer for your safety.
God bless and good luck.
Miradus
>I've been a lurker here for a while. A couple of
>nights ago I thought I heard someone trying to
>open my door at home. But, as soon as the I heard
>the noise it stopped. It was like they were just
>checking to see if the door was unlocked. It was
>locked, of course.
>There have been a numbber of sightings of a
>peeping tom in the area and there was even one
>girl raped. A gun in the house would not have
>been as easy to access as would have been needed
>if the situation turned ugly. The only thing I
>had handy to use as a weapon was the pencil I was
>writing with. And I'm not that physically able
>anyway, I'm small (not short) and female.
>If this happens again, what would you all suggest
>for someone in my situation.
Some years back I heard a loud 'thump' on my front door in the middle
of the night. I grabbed my gun and made it to the front window in
under 30 seconds, but didn't see anything outside. Opening the front
door, I discovered that there was a large, muddy footprint right in
the center of it. This was a reinforced, solid wood door with the
frame support the guy mentioned in another response.
I'm confused why you don't have a weapon at hand. To me, ANYONE that
fears for their safety should have a weapon of some sort... be it a
gun, knife, or baseball bat.
You don't mention if you have children in the house or not, but I'll
go on the assumption that you don't.
Next time something suspicious happens, a tap at a window, a rattling
of the door, etc... immediately grab the phone (assuming one is in the
bedroom) and dial 911. Don't bother talking to them. It will waste
time and distract you from the problem at hand. Just leave the phone
off the hook. They already know your address from the call and they
will dispatch someone immediately (or one of the 400 variations of
immediately known by police forces).
Keep the weapon of your choice under the bed if you are kid-free. Grab
it and start yelling. Some macho bastards here will tell you to keep
quiet and wait for the guy to enter so you can blow him away. I'm
telling you that a woman screaming is twice the deterrent a home alarm
system is. Plus it gives a little extra oomph for 911 which will still
be on the phone listening.
If the scream frightens him away, great. If not, be MENTALLY prepared
to handle the situation when the guy crosses the perimeter. It takes
fortitude to empty a clip into a human being, plunge a knife into
someone's soft and pudgy carapace, or bludgeon them with a heavy
object. Keep in mind that this guy is here to rob/kill/violate you in
whatever way his twisted mind has come up with.
Even being a small woman you aren't defenseless. There is a LOT you
can do for your own self-defense even without Judo, Karate,
Nin-crappa, or whatever. Even without a weapon, you can maim or drive
away most attackers. A thumb driven into the eye, fingernails raked
across the face, or a full-force bite onto any soft body part will
help. It just takes a mental shift to be able to do it... the mental
shift from being 'helpless' to 'a force of your own'.
Miradus
Jim String
>
>Next time something suspicious happens, a tap at a window, a rattling
>of the door, etc... immediately grab the phone (assuming one is in the
>bedroom) and dial 911. Don't bother talking to them. It will waste
>time and distract you from the problem at hand. Just leave the phone
>off the hook. They already know your address from the call and they
>will dispatch someone immediately (or one of the 400 variations of
>immediately known by police forces).
Actually, this is very good advice. If you don't say anything after
dialing 911 and leave the phone off the hook then they don't get to
"prioritize" the call. For all they know you are incapacitated and
will die if they don't respond right away.
Best,
Jim
Oframe45
>nights ago I thought I heard someone trying to
>open my door at home
>A gun in the house would not have
>been as easy to access as would have been needed
>if the situation turned ugly.
Beef up the door(s). What you can keep out gets you that much more a head.
You can do things like "kick"/scuff plate glued to the middle of the door for
reenforcement. Longer screws in the door frame and in the chain lock. A brass
coated steel plate around the door lock and the bigger the better.
At some point you have to go back to the basic bar across the door. I like
steel water or gas pipe better than 2x4's. Half inch stuff should more than
do. The guys at the local welding shop can make you a clamp that goes around
the pipe in a --^-- type pattern. You want two screw holes vertical in the
flange. Caveat: Any of this stuff is only as good as the door frame and
mountings. It may not be pretty but it works. Any glass in the door or the
frame works to defeat all the above.
ALogan3
bar high and one low out of reach wont it work?
Dreamer
able to recieve calls but will NOT know what address you are calling from.
This is done by computer. Might want to stay on the line under these
circumstances.
A.Trol
> I've been a lurker here for a while. A couple of
> nights ago I thought I heard someone trying to
> open my door at home. But, as soon as the I heard
> the noise it stopped. It was like they were just
> checking to see if the door was unlocked. It was
> locked, of course.
> There have been a numbber of sightings of a
> peeping tom in the area and there was even one
> girl raped. A gun in the house would not have
> been as easy to access as would have been needed
> if the situation turned ugly. The only thing I
> had handy to use as a weapon was the pencil I was
> writing with. And I'm not that physically able
> anyway, I'm small (not short) and female.
> If this happens again, what would you all suggest
> for someone in my situation.
Given the number of "reach for you gun"
responses, I thought I might give you a
better direction to go in.
Install those photocell activated lights outside
your door and other access points. Their
extremely handy for bringing up the lights
when you have visitors ( welcome or not ).
Also, consider purchasing a door camera.
Hooks up to a VCR and costs about $150
here on the net. With this you get to see and
have a _record_ of who showed up where.
I'm sure you can find creative uses for that.
Finally, yes you should maintain some firearms
around the house. Stick to old standbys, like
12gauge shotgun, .45ACP pistol and 30-06
rifle cartridge weapons. If none of this makes
sense _take_a_course_. Believe it or not
there are a lot of women instructors for this.
Remember, regardless of the "arnold"
policies you hear around here , using a gun is a
defensive act and should be your last
option. CALL 911 FIRST... but
don't depend on them... ;-(
End of practical lesson... now if
you have questions regarding
survival in less domesticated
circumstances this group is
the place.
Lawrence R. Glickman
>
> Remember, regardless of the "arnold"
> policies you hear around here , using a gun is a
> defensive act and should be your last
> option. CALL 911 FIRST... but
> don't depend on them... ;-(
>
This is baloney, sorry to say. As I mentioned yesterday or the day before,
a home invasion occurred at about 3 a.m. not too far from me. 3 intruders
kicked in a door and gained entry in _seconds_. After mauling the wife, the
husband shot 2 of them to death, but the 3rd fled and has not been captured.
Let's get *real* for a second. I don't know if this was drug-related or
not, but it was _all_over_ in less than a minute. A Chicago minute. Hardly
time to grab one's dick and head for the teley.
And that's the way things happen. In the real world. No warning, and out
of *nowhere.* Arnold policies kept these folks _alive_. You have my
advanced condolences on your immanent demise which may be impending and
certain.
Lg
Bob
ONE STIFF FINGER THRUST IN THE ATTACKER'S EYE WILL END THE ATTACK. I
don't care if he is a 300 pound drunk Line-backer on Crack, he will
cease the attack. Your mind is the best defense you have. Even a pencil
is a great weapon if stuck in the fellow's eye. Of course a 45 caliber
is a good weapon of choice for defense, there are all kinds of weapons
laying about the home anyone can use to defend with.
Bob
sueh...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I've been a lurker here for a while. A couple of
> nights ago I thought I heard someone trying to
> open my door at home. But, as soon as the I heard
> the noise it stopped. It was like they were just
> checking to see if the door was unlocked. It was
> locked, of course.
> There have been a numbber of sightings of a
> peeping tom in the area and there was even one
> girl raped. A gun in the house would not have
> been as easy to access as would have been needed
> if the situation turned ugly. The only thing I
> had handy to use as a weapon was the pencil I was
> writing with. And I'm not that physically able
> anyway, I'm small (not short) and female.
> If this happens again, what would you all suggest
> for someone in my situation.
>
Miradus
<lgli...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>This is baloney, sorry to say. As I mentioned yesterday or the day before,
>a home invasion occurred at about 3 a.m. not too far from me. 3 intruders
>kicked in a door and gained entry in _seconds_. After mauling the wife, the
>husband shot 2 of them to death, but the 3rd fled and has not been captured.
The husband mauled the wife? Some guys look for ANY opportunity, don't
they?
>Let's get *real* for a second. I don't know if this was drug-related or
>not, but it was _all_over_ in less than a minute. A Chicago minute. Hardly
>time to grab one's dick and head for the teley.
I don't know about you, LG... but I like to take my time when grabbing
my dick.
>And that's the way things happen. In the real world. No warning, and out
>of *nowhere.* Arnold policies kept these folks _alive_. You have my
>advanced condolences on your immanent demise which may be impending and
>certain.
As a very wise, old, and scarred sergeant once told me...
"Whatever shit is going to happen to you, it will always happen when
you least expect it, when you feel the LEAST like dealing with it, and
before you know it."
He was right.
Arrakis
12 gauge shotgun,and 30-06 high powered rifle?For a small and
inexperienced novice woman?Think the "old standbys" are for more
experienced veteran men.A simple 5-6 shot snubnose revolver would be my
recommendation,which can also carry outside the home.And could add a
.410 or 20 gauge shotgun for her bedroom gun,which should also be her
safe room with solid door,locks,and cellular phone in case the phone
lines are cut.
Lawrence R. Glickman
news:3836deec...@24.14.77.5...
> On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:33:21 -0600, "Lawrence R. Glickman"
snippings
>
> "Whatever shit is going to happen to you, it will always happen when
> you least expect it, when you feel the LEAST like dealing with it, and
> before you know it."
>
> He was right.
You got me. My grammar was noticeably incorrect. I even saw the mistake
myself after I posted, but said to myself fagetaboutit because the *idea*
will get through :)
I listen to my police scanner often. District 6 in Chicago. Busy 24 hours
/ day. What they don't tell you in the newspaper or on the 6 p.m. news can
be found on the scanner. As you might expect, it's a mess out there.
But are rural areas any safer ? Remember In Cold Blood, by Truman Capote ?
Rural environment, nobody around, slaughter. I don't think it matter where
one lives anymore. The trouble will come to you, sooner or later. Just be
ready for it is all I'm saying.
Sometimes when I go outside things just don't feel right. I instinctivly go
for my blade, and prime it for rapid deployment. Something about
*instinct.*
Lg
Tim May
R. Glickman" <lgli...@ameritech.net> wrote:
> I listen to my police scanner often. District 6 in Chicago. Busy 24 hours
> / day. What they don't tell you in the newspaper or on the 6 p.m. news can
> be found on the scanner. As you might expect, it's a mess out there.
>
> But are rural areas any safer ? Remember In Cold Blood, by Truman Capote ?
> Rural environment, nobody around, slaughter. I don't think it matter where
> one lives anymore. The trouble will come to you, sooner or later. Just be
> ready for it is all I'm saying.
Lawrence, I am used to doing quick, in-my-head mental calculations. So the
issue with Chicago vs. "rural areas" is not one of "what is possible" but
is instead one of "what is likely."
Yeah, incidents like "In Cold Blood" can happen. But they happen a lot
_less_ per square mile, or per household, or per person than in Chicago.
Gee, several weeks ago you were telling us you had decided to move the
missus and your family (?) to Canada, as soon as possible.
Now you seem to be rationalizing, saying that "doesn't matter" where one lives.
Rationalization and lack of analytical thinking is a powerful combination.
Good luck,
--Tim May
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Lawrence R. Glickman
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>
> Yeah, incidents like "In Cold Blood" can happen. But they happen a lot
> _less_ per square mile, or per household, or per person than in Chicago.
>
> Gee, several weeks ago you were telling us you had decided to move the
> missus and your family (?) to Canada, as soon as possible.
>
> Now you seem to be rationalizing, saying that "doesn't matter" where one
lives.
>
> Rationalization and lack of analytical thinking is a powerful combination.
>
We're still trying to *get out of town* Tim, but it doesn't look like we're
going to make it before the y2k deadline. Just doesn't. It's a project
that we're working on, but I have some fixing up around here to do before
the house is ready for sale. Roof, gutters, soffits, wallpaper stripping,
painting, replacing faucets, the whole schmere. So that's the situation.
But you have to know that rural America is becoming prime targets of
opportunity for the criminal element. I can't do the *per-capita*
calculation either. But trouble is now showing up in places it never did
before. How come? I dunno. Maybe because it is _easier_ to attack a lone
farmhouse miles away from anybody else.
Cut the phone and power lines, and so forth, and unless there are dogs and
armed homeowners, the pickings are easy. I don't think one should feel
safer just because they are in a rural setting. If something _does_ happen,
you are cut-off from outside help.
Of course, people here, piled one on top of eachother, are dusted every day.
So *security in numbers* is apparently a myth.
There _is_ a criminal element in rural America, this is a given. And their
choices of targets are perhaps somewhat more vulnerable. Maybe, maybe not.
That's why I say *perhaps.* But I highly doubt that criminal element is
going to get into a car and drive all the way to the Big City to commit
their crimes. The gangs already have every block of this area to
themselves.
Instead, the rural criminal element will prey on rural homeowners. Seems
*logical* to me.
Lg
Gunner
>To all who worry about not having a weapon at hand if you are attacked.
>ONE STIFF FINGER THRUST IN THE ATTACKER'S EYE WILL END THE ATTACK. I
>don't care if he is a 300 pound drunk Line-backer on Crack, he will
>cease the attack.
I once took a 150lb white kid to the ER, in handcuffs and hog tied,
with his eyeball hanging down his cheek. He managed to kick out BOTH
side windows, crack the rear window, and hospitalize 2 officers AFTER
having his eyeball pulled out. So its not 100%. However if the
attacker is NOT spun like a top, it generally works.
Gunner
---------------------------------------------------------
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write
a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort
the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone,
solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program
a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die
gallantly. Specialization is for insects." Robert Heinlein
Lawrence R. Glickman
news:383a46c4...@news.lightspeed.net...
> Bob <Bob...@web.com> wrote:
>
> >To all who worry about not having a weapon at hand if you are attacked.
> >ONE STIFF FINGER THRUST IN THE ATTACKER'S EYE WILL END THE ATTACK. I
> >don't care if he is a 300 pound drunk Line-backer on Crack, he will
> >cease the attack.
>
> I once took a 150lb white kid to the ER, in handcuffs and hog tied,
> with his eyeball hanging down his cheek. He managed to kick out BOTH
> side windows, crack the rear window, and hospitalize 2 officers AFTER
> having his eyeball pulled out. So its not 100%. However if the
> attacker is NOT spun like a top, it generally works.
PCP will do that to ya. Angel Dust. Same thing, street name. I've
inadvertently taken it before myself ( it was added to the pot I was
smoking ) and ran around in a snowstorm but naked and didn't feel a thing.
LAST THING you want to do is get into a *to-do* with somebody on PCP. You
can shoot that guy and he'll just keep coming unless you clipped an artery
or got him with a headshot ( CNS ). He won't know he's dead until he's back
in his car.
Lg
Jed Brulen
who cut off his face and fed it to his dog. His face was gone too, no
recognizable facial features. Gross.
Lawrence R. Glickman
news:24088-38...@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Someone once sent me a picture from LA of a guy on PCP (or something)
> who cut off his face and fed it to his dog. His face was gone too, no
> recognizable facial features. Gross.
>
It's a nasty drug, and puts one both into a psychotic state _and_ one of
anesthesia. It wouldn't IMO be a _bad_ idea to have some of this *angel
dust* lying around for self-administration should one become engaged in a
maelstrom of gunfighting and knife fighting.
Just soak some pot in it, smoke it, and you're primed for *kill or be
killed.* I highly suspect that some of the most heinous crimes committed by
the *criminal element* have this stuff in their systems when they're in the
act of perpetrating mayhem, murder, and etcetera.
No guarantees you will survive under any circumstances, either with or
without it. But at least, when you _do_ die, you won't be in any pain.
Lg
Bob Gilbert
wrote:
>Bob <Bob...@web.com> wrote:
>
>>To all who worry about not having a weapon at hand if you are attacked.
>>ONE STIFF FINGER THRUST IN THE ATTACKER'S EYE WILL END THE ATTACK. I
>>don't care if he is a 300 pound drunk Line-backer on Crack, he will
>>cease the attack.
>
>I once took a 150lb white kid to the ER, in handcuffs and hog tied,
>with his eyeball hanging down his cheek. He managed to kick out BOTH
>side windows, crack the rear window, and hospitalize 2 officers AFTER
>having his eyeball pulled out. So its not 100%. However if the
>attacker is NOT spun like a top, it generally works.
>
>Gunner
>
Chuckle,
All too true.
I always like these posts which talk about 'Do This ! It will stop
them every time !'
ROFLMAO !
People have been watching WAYYYYY too many movies with some idea that
what is depicted bears some connection to reality.
In truth, forget size for a moment, when considering the damage a
person can receive and continue to function .... attack .... defend
self ... attempt escape. The ability to withstand damage and continue
to function, at least partially, has a lot more to do with state of
mind, and in some measure ... past experience, than it has to do with
anything else. Granting the person has no major medical frailties in
the first place.
If the person is 100% mentally determined and focused towards
accomplishing some action at ALL COSTS ... nothing else mattering to
the person .... stopping the person can be very difficult.
I didn't say it can't be done ... but it becomes a real B*T*H !
Severing the head completely, or blowing sizeable hole thru the brain
cavity is a fairly sure bet. :-)
But I don't know of anything else that's 'For Sure.'
Experience of the opponent is also a definate factor, or can be.
The ability to take pain and remain focused, the ability to reduce or
delay effects of shock are often enhanced in those who in the past
have experience with receiving damage and injury. If one's opponent
was a football player, hockey player, amatuer boxer, wrestler, bar
room brawler, or participated in any one of several sports,
advocations or jobs which meant he has been pounded, beat, stressed,
injured and otherwise abused and still kept on keeping on ....
chuckle, you may have your work cut out for you.
I keep on remembering this one fellow I worked with while in the
service, very avid karate and martial arts practitioner. Very good,
very fit. Had won numerous contests and was certified to teach a
couple styles. But ... well, he was 25 and still young enough so that
it was understandable that his head was a bit swelled.
He was putting on a show, demo matches, with the purpose of drumming
up interest in others to sign up for classes he taught after duty
hours. Several bouts held with other martial arts types. He was then
asking anyone watching if they'd like to get in the ring with him. A
couple did, and went down pretty quick. The guy looked around at
those watching and spotted this other fellow, whom I knew well as he
worked for me. Karate guy knew the kid was pretty strong, guess he
figured he'd make a good showing if he put him down.
The kid didn't want to get in the ring. Karate guy taunted him,
managed to piss the kid off.
ROFLMAO ....
It wasn't pretty. Ahhhh, it was great. Karate guy was VERY good,
beautiful style and execution. And he was strong himself. Beat the
CRAP out of the kid ... for about 30 seconds. Problem was, that kid
was hurt ... but not impressed. Took everything the other guy had,
but when he finally got his opening, it was over quick. What he gave
to the karate guy, the guy just wasn't up to withstanding and he went
down hard nd stayed there.
I might mention the kid had been in a number of alley fights back in
his home town and later before entering the service had been a local
golden gloves champ. Tough as rawhide, the kid could take a licking
and keep on ticking.
Not picking on Karate or other martial arts practitioners. I happen
to be a practioner myself.
Making a point ... as concerns frame of mind and experience. If this
had been a match were points and style counted, or where number of
blows thrown which landed counted. Karate guy was hands down the
best. His problem was this kid was mad and determined and could take
punishment which would have put many others on the ground.
When I was a cop I will never forget this one case where one brother
attacked the other. Shot him twice, clubbed him with the stock of the
weapon til stock broke, and so did the victim's skull, choked the
victim so strongly his hand prints were left in victims neck as
bruises, stabbed victim 17 times with a hunting knife ....
And the victim STILL managed to knock him out and run.
Mental frame of mind COUNTS.
Chuckle, as concerns going for the eyes. Actually a good move. Tho I
question the value of a stiff finger strike in a fight. I'd ditch
that idea unless you are very proficient ... VERY. I don't mean you
just got your nice pretty belt. Easy to be ineffective or get broken
fingers that way.
KISS .... keep it simple. Claw rake is likely to be more effective,
miss the eye itself? No big deal, good chance you made him scrunch
eyes shut, made them water, distracted, perhaps raked some skin and
cause blood to run into his eyes, etc. Think distraction, think
'reducing his ability'. If you're relying on one move to stop him
....
It's gonna suck to be you.
There are certainly other techniques, Close quarters, move in and
SHOVE thumb in, with-holding NOTHING, digging for the back of his head
! Hand formed in claw, then claw downward utilizing your body weight.
See if you can rip the eye out completely ... to distract, only.
IIRC, takes only about 10 to 14 lbs of force to remove an eye. But ya
gotta be determined and merciless about it. And don't stop for even a
split second, continue on with other moves. Disregard the damage you
do him completely and continue with more ... do not step back and
observe your handi-work ... and thus give him a chance to recover
determination.
Stiff finger strike does little damage without a few things. Hand
conditioning and an accuracy difficult to achieve in fast moving melee
enviornment unless one has a lot more practice than the average
person. Even the average martial arts practitioner. Just TRY an
accurate strike, with force, with fragile fingers while the opponent
is slamming your head into a wall.
A claw rake, or open hand slammed against his face, thumb digging into
general area is likely to be far more effective.
In the matter of unarmed defense, the lady in the original post would
be far better off attending a self defense course designed to help
those who are not long term practioners of a martial art.
Often enough, the better martial arts schools have such abbreviated
course. Teaching simplified, easy to learn techniques. Just the down
and dirty stuff where style, class and techniques are not the issue
... helping a victim fend off an attack until help arrives or a weapon
grabbed, escape, or to persuade the attacker to find an easier target
is the objective. Such courses typically also teach siuational and
street awareness and other things to help the person avoid attack in
the first place.
Of course ... better is to have some sort of weapon. Even improvised
weapons are useful. Almost anything can be used. Better yet, a
weapon designed to be a weapon and the knowledge of it's use. If one
has some reason one will not or can not use a firearm, at least get
youself a bladed weapon, baseball bat ... something ! Once the fight
is started ... no hesitation, no mercy til the attacker is down or
running away.
Chuckle, I once had an instructor who had advanced belts in several
martial arts, and had been a successful amatuer boxer. Past member of
the French Foreign Legion. At the time, taught hand to hand to the
military and had an after hours, for pay, class. Formidible fellow
who been in fights that counted ... real ones.
I did not miss the fact ... that he always carried. (A firearm)
I figured that was statement enough ... didn't need elaboration.
Knowledge of unarmed fighting is a good thing. And I have practiced
same since I was 6 or 7. But I would not rely on that as my ONLY
means and knowledge. Not if it means living or dying. Even knowing
how to fight unarmed, I'm gonna be using it as only a means to try to
get to a better weapon, if possible.
Bob
A person's spirit is defined by the person's
thoughts, words and deeds.
NOT by what was done to the person in the past.
(Old native american saying)
Phil
>
> It's a nasty drug, and puts one both into a psychotic state _and_ one of
> anesthesia. It wouldn't IMO be a _bad_ idea to have some of this *angel
> dust* lying around
Hmmmm, keeping illegal and dangerous narcotics in your house. GOOD TIP!!
That could get you very screwed by plod!
> for self-administration should one become engaged in a
> maelstrom of gunfighting and knife fighting.
Erm, wouldn't it be better to feel pain so you know when it is time to
cut your loses and run away??
>
> Just soak some pot in it, smoke it, and you're primed for *kill or be
> killed.* I highly suspect that some of the most heinous crimes committed by
> the *criminal element* have this stuff in their systems when they're in the
> act of perpetrating mayhem, murder, and etcetera.
Erm, when you say "this stuff" are you refering to the pot or the angel
dust?
Phil
Peace, Bread, Land
Phil
Erm, that name makes me kinda wonder about the poster! Add another L and
you get "A TROLL".
Phil
Peace, Bread, Land
Bart Bailey
> <~~~>
> So the issue with Chicago vs. "rural areas" is not one of "what is possible" but
> is instead one of "what is likely."
Likely? sounds like you're talking about the odds here.
Lawrence R. Glickman
You questions lead me to believe that you should ignore this thread. You
are not a *candidate* for the information that may be contained therein.
Back to your coloring book. Try not to get any crayon marks on the walls.
good boy.
Lg
Tim May
Nitwit.
* P L O N K *
--Tim May
--
Y2K: "It's not the odds...it's the stakes." (unknown)
Lawrence R. Glickman
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> you know, I used to think Tim was a little crotchedy, but otherwise ok.
his
> posts recently have been completely devoid of intelligence and
> understanding. It's been real Tim. Maybe you will read this, maybe you
> won't. goodbye jackass.
>
> *plonk*
Steve,
I just think he is starting his *kill-off* of *millions of useless eaters*
:)
Seriously, don't you feel a little bit nervous _already_????? I know I do.
I feel like I'm standing on some railroad tracks. Can't see the train yet,
but can feel the vibrations in the rails.
Nervous is the word. I think we're all going to get a little jumpy before
Zero Hour. I have even considered taking up drinking ( a little ) again.
Maybe it's going to get a little *testy* around here shortly ( already ) as
the clock keeps counting down.
Lg
Steve Spence
posts recently have been completely devoid of intelligence and
understanding. It's been real Tim. Maybe you will read this, maybe you
won't. goodbye jackass.
*plonk*
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"Tim May" <tc...@got.net> wrote in message
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Gunner
>Steve Spence <steve....@home.com> wrote in message
>news:vfKZ3.2858$lY5....@news.rdc1.nj.home.com...
>> you know, I used to think Tim was a little crotchedy, but otherwise ok.
>his
>> posts recently have been completely devoid of intelligence and
>> understanding. It's been real Tim. Maybe you will read this, maybe you
>> won't. goodbye jackass.
>>
>> *plonk*
>
>Steve,
>
>I just think he is starting his *kill-off* of *millions of useless eaters*
>:)
>
>Seriously, don't you feel a little bit nervous _already_????? I know I do.
>I feel like I'm standing on some railroad tracks. Can't see the train yet,
>but can feel the vibrations in the rails.
>
>Nervous is the word. I think we're all going to get a little jumpy before
>Zero Hour. I have even considered taking up drinking ( a little ) again.
>Maybe it's going to get a little *testy* around here shortly ( already ) as
>the clock keeps counting down.
>
>Lg
>
Larry, forgive me for butting in here, but now is the worst possible
time to start engaging in mind altering substances, even booze. Its
gonna get worse, stress wise, before it gets better, and now is the
time we need to be meditating, forming last minute contingency plans,
figuring fields of fire etc. I mention meditation and I recommend it
quite strongly. If you know anything about it, Yoga, is a rather
interesting stress reliever that would be good right about now. Im not
talking about going into the full lotus and contemplating your
bellybutton or Chakkra stuff, but kick back, empty your mind, and just
be. (not hard for some of our posters..... the empty mind part any
way..<G>)
Im sure Stephanie can suggest some easy and mellowing techniques that
will help one keep their shit together.
Mr_Magic
Gunner wrote:
Snipped
> Larry, forgive me for butting in here, but now is the worst possible
> time to start engaging in mind altering substances, even booze.
There's never a bad time get on the turps.
> Its
> gonna get worse, stress wise, before it gets better, and now is the
>
Also Snipped
> Gunner
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
> invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write
> a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort
> the dying,
Snipped here as well
Lawrence R. Glickman
> >
> Larry, forgive me for butting in here, but now is the worst possible
> gonna get worse, stress wise, before it gets better, and now is the
> figuring fields of fire etc. I mention meditation and I recommend it
> quite strongly. If you know anything about it, Yoga, is a rather
> interesting stress reliever that would be good right about now. Im not
> talking about going into the full lotus and contemplating your
> bellybutton or Chakkra stuff, but kick back, empty your mind, and just
> be. (not hard for some of our posters..... the empty mind part any
> way..<G>)
> Im sure Stephanie can suggest some easy and mellowing techniques that
> will help one keep their shit together.
>
> Gunner
Hmmmm. :) adding Gunner to position #4 of people who make me go hmmmm a
lot !
You're right. better to *channel* this nervous energy into something
constructive, rather than try to numb one's self. imo, I didn't see any
reason for the *plonking contest.* I just take it as a sign that The Group
in general is becoming nervous ( I rather call it *jumpy* ) in anticipation
of what may turn out to be a life-altering life-challenging situation that
is closing in on all of us.
The doubting Thomases out there are good for a chuckle. They are passengers
in an airplane falling from the sky, and because they haven't hit the ground
yet, they _think_ everything is OK and just *party on.* Some of us are
looking out the window and going Holy Shit !!!
I gotta get a grip. I can't afford to lose it now. damn. Somebody once
said that the waiting is the hardest part. He was right.
Lg
Jed Brulen
primed for kill or be killed.
In the olden days they called them berserkers. Mostly they were Odin
worshipers.
Not sure what the best way to stop someone on PCP would be. Cutting off
his head is obviously the most effective. Short of that a rifle and then
a pistol with a 30 round magazine....ha ha, banned of course.
Mysterion
Gunner wrote in message <383a46c4...@news.lightspeed.net>...
>I once took a 150lb white kid to the ER, in handcuffs and hog tied,
>with his eyeball hanging down his cheek. He managed to kick out BOTH
>side windows, crack the rear window, and hospitalize 2 officers AFTER
>having his eyeball pulled out. So its not 100%. However if the
>attacker is NOT spun like a top, it generally works.
Was he on PCP by any chance?
But you make a very good point.
I occasionally work security at events where people are drinking or
otherwise altering their state of mind.
Oftentimes they simply will not go down like you expect them to and an
escalation of force is required to achieve the desired result.
Similarly, oftentimes I don't know the extent of my own injuries until its
all over or even the next day.
A determined attacker will just keep coming.
There are numerous police and military war stories of people taking multiple
hits and still coming.
The only sure stopper I'd bet on is a load of 00 buck to the face at a range
of 10 feet or less.
As a general rule, attackers are neutralized when they no longer have heads.
Lawrence R. Glickman
Oh, I have videotapes of LEOs trying to *incapacitate* someone on PCP. The
only thing that fazed the perp was a headshot, and then he dropped like a
sack-o-shit. The other stuff left him unfazed. {did I mention I have a
*kinky* video collection?} I also have a video of a guy breaking his wrist
trying to get out of handcuffs. Didn't know he broke it. Just kept
pulling.
Now imagine this NIGHTMARE. 3 pcp-drugged perpetrators come smashing
through your door at 3 a.m. This is what gives me the sweats. Unless you
get a CNS hit or vital artery hit, the bastards don't even know they've been
shot.
They're in a Twilight Zone for all practical purposes, where the only way
you can destroy them quickly is with a lot of in-the-face firepower. Here
is where the 12 gauge comes in. I can't buy 00 buck where I live because it
is considered *illegal.* But I do have .50 caliber sabots. To be honest, I
would rather have the Buck. Multiple hits. Like sending multiple .32
caliber bullets into the perp with each pull of the trigger. The more hits,
the better the incapacitation profile.
It is kinda scary to think you can empty your revolver / auto into somebody
and they're still coming at you. It's the stuff Nightmares / Daymares are
made of. And movies. Like Jason in Friday the 13th.
Lg
Gunner
>
>Gunner wrote in message <383a46c4...@news.lightspeed.net>...
>>I once took a 150lb white kid to the ER, in handcuffs and hog tied,
>>with his eyeball hanging down his cheek. He managed to kick out BOTH
>>side windows, crack the rear window, and hospitalize 2 officers AFTER
>>having his eyeball pulled out. So its not 100%. However if the
>>attacker is NOT spun like a top, it generally works.
>
>
>Was he on PCP by any chance?
Dusted to the eyeballs... NOT A GOOD THING©
>
>But you make a very good point.
>I occasionally work security at events where people are drinking or
>otherwise altering their state of mind.
>Oftentimes they simply will not go down like you expect them to and an
>escalation of force is required to achieve the desired result.
>Similarly, oftentimes I don't know the extent of my own injuries until its
>all over or even the next day.
>
>A determined attacker will just keep coming.
>There are numerous police and military war stories of people taking multiple
>hits and still coming.
>The only sure stopper I'd bet on is a load of 00 buck to the face at a range
>of 10 feet or less.
>As a general rule, attackers are neutralized when they no longer have heads.
>
Pretty well covers it. The big problem is that you often don't know
that they are spun till well into the nasty stuff. Make Mozambique
Drill a viable option if the bad guy lets you.....<SG>
Gunner
---------------------------------------------------------
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write
a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort
Bart Bailey
> you know, I used to think Tim was a little crotchedy, but otherwise ok. his
> posts recently have been completely devoid of intelligence and
> understanding. It's been real Tim. Maybe you will read this, maybe you
> won't. goodbye jackass.
>
> *plonk*
Wow! we actually agree on something. Maybe that's why I don't killfilter or
unsubscribe, just never know what ye olde m.s will have to offer next.
Bart Bailey
> In article <38373BC8...@amsat.org>, Bart Bailey <km...@amsat.org> wrote:
>
> > Tim May wrote:
> >
> > > <~~~>
> > > So the issue with Chicago vs. "rural areas" is not one of "what is
> possible" but
> > > is instead one of "what is likely."
> >
> > Likely? sounds like you're talking about the odds here.
> >
> > > --Tim May
> > >
> > > --
> > > Y2K: "It's not the odds...it's the stakes." (unknown)
>
> Nitwit.
>
> * P L O N K *
>
> --Tim May
>
> --
> Y2K: "It's not the odds...it's the stakes." (unknown)
What a contradictory fool you make of yourself. Claiming to have inexhaustible
supplies of cash yet maintaining a mortgage on your house, for what? to feed
someone else's coffer? Complaining about band wasting binaries yet always tagging
your posts with the same cryptoshit sig file. You are your own worst liability in
any situation whether survival related or just enjoying the passage of time. As
the very astute Stephanie indicated; all survival activities are but just a
holding action against the inevitable fate we all will surely face. So why would a
self proclaimed genius continue to maintain a type "A" personality unless you
think yourself to be immortal? No Tim I'm not going to call you a "nitwit" but
rather an unfortunate case of the latter manifestations of an axis 2 DSM disorder.
Steve Spence
many people will even see big differences. No nervousness, just quiet
acceptance of whatever comes. as for drinking, moderate amounts may be good
for you, but my alcohol is going into my fuel tanks. see
http://www.webconx.com/ethanol.htm
--
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"Lawrence R. Glickman" <lgli...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:QRKZ3.129$2m1....@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net...
> Steve Spence <steve....@home.com> wrote in message
> news:vfKZ3.2858$lY5....@news.rdc1.nj.home.com...
> > you know, I used to think Tim was a little crotchedy, but otherwise ok.
> his
> > posts recently have been completely devoid of intelligence and
> > understanding. It's been real Tim. Maybe you will read this, maybe you
> > won't. goodbye jackass.
> >
> > *plonk*
>
Steve Spence
Gonna have a chat with wife shortly. now there's a stress reliever!
--
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"Gunner" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:383785c1....@news.lightspeed.net...
> Larry, forgive me for butting in here, but now is the worst possible
> time to start engaging in mind altering substances, even booze. Its
> gonna get worse, stress wise, before it gets better, and now is the
> time we need to be meditating, forming last minute contingency plans,
> figuring fields of fire etc. I mention meditation and I recommend it
> quite strongly. If you know anything about it, Yoga, is a rather
> interesting stress reliever that would be good right about now. Im not
> talking about going into the full lotus and contemplating your
> bellybutton or Chakkra stuff, but kick back, empty your mind, and just
> be. (not hard for some of our posters..... the empty mind part any
> way..<G>)
> Im sure Stephanie can suggest some easy and mellowing techniques that
> will help one keep their shit together.
>
Br. Rouillé
Phil
> In the olden days they called them berserkers. Mostly they were Odin
> worshipers.
Uh oh, I sense the historical geek in me coming to the surface.
The Berserks were an elite within the Norse armies in the 7th-11th
century. As with the rest of Norse society they were indeed Odinists. It
is believed most of them would have been insane, epileptics, pschotics
etc who then got VERY stoned on a rather potent brew made out of
mushrooms. After drinking this they would frequently rip off their
clothes, through away their shields and go charging at the enemy with
the axes or swords.
Phil
Peace, Bread, Land
Strider
Phil wrote in message <383899...@nowhere.com>...
Ahhhh.......those were the good old days. Could those guys party or what?
Strider
Gunner
to let us know what it is......
"Br. Rouillé" <borgb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>* P L O N K *
>
---------------------------------------------------------
Br. Roulle
the man who wasn't fleeing the city to eke out a substandard
living off the land is what set me off.
I was reared in a very small Mormon village in a very remote
part of the southern Colorado mountains, so I know well
small town mores. They will knock you over the head for your
food and women with at least as much gusto as their city
cousins do. It is also easier for rogue agents of the
government to find you in the country, because everyone for
30 miles around knows where you live and thinks that the
Sheriff is next to God. And to them, he is. Furthermore, any
city person who thinks that the rustics are going to welcome
them with open arms or permit a new resident to freeload off
of them after they have fled the urban riots will become
food.
Country life, while it has its rewards, is hard, and many of
us old farts have fled the bucolic fields for the bright
lights and cozy anonymity that the city provides. I have
found that the city dwellers exhibit more compassion and
take better care of their less fortunates than the country
rubes do of theirs. And during good times in the city the
pay is better, the work is easier, the houses warmer, the
roads are smoother, the TV has more channels and for all
practical purposes, the lights work every time I the switch
is turned on.
Add to that the Movies, Plays, DSL, public transportation .
. .
Anyone who thinks that rural areas have "nicer" people, or
that there is less violence is completely wrong. I too have
elected to stay in the city even though the farmstead is
still available to me. A more useful reply than May's chest
thumping reply would have been information on how to survive
in the city, or if he lacked ideas, silence..
Gunner wrote:
>
> Who'd you kill file? If your gonna make a statement, you really ought
> to let us know what it is......
>
Br. Roulle
thumping retort would have been information on how to
Bart Bailey
> On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 03:35:13 GMT, sueh...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >I've been a lurker here for a while. A couple of
> >nights ago I thought I heard someone trying to
> >open my door at home. But, as soon as the I heard
> >the noise it stopped.
>
> Sue:
>
> (1) Nothing beats having a pump shotgun. A nice Winchester 1200
> Defender. The click click sound is very very distinctive and gets
> attention and respect. Put one of those high powered zenon lights on
> the end of the shotgun, (I have one and it stays on, I have a wide
> velcro tape and it sits beside the shotgun barrel and tube).
>
> (2) Some dye and foming pepper spray (Bear strength) might help. I
> taped some to the handle of a hand lantern for my wife when I was
> deployed (military). That way upon hearing a noise, she had the spray
> and light.
If you spray pepper in your house you have just created a torture chamber
for yourself as well, try it before you get into an encounter situation
and see what I mean.
> (3) Get a really really big dog food bowl and put it outside with a
> huge dog chew toy. Write on the dog bowl, "Max."
>
> (4) Leave a really big pair of men's boots (get some cheap combat
> boots, size 14) outside.
>
> (5) They sell ultra sonic sound detectors that should like a big dog
> barking. You could use it to supplement the dog bowl.
>
> (6) Depending on your house, you might want to get a solid core door
> for your bedroom. Some like to lock their bedroom door and others
> don't. Perhaps others here have some suggestions? In any case it is
> not a bad idea to reinforce the door jamb with longer screw and not
> the teeny ones most door's have.
A floor jamb works better than any screws [not to discount them] because
someone can just use a car jack to spread the door frame and let the door
swing open.
> (7) those lights that light up when someone gets close is good. They
> are cheap, store sunlight and only go on when someone comes to the
> door. Nothing like a sudden light to cause someone some
> consternation. They even sell devices that alert you with some beep
> beep alarm if someone comes up to your door.
>
> (8) There might be some disagreement here, but alarm stickers around
> the windows might help and a real or even phony camera pointing down
> at the person. Group - what do you think?
Too much ostensible preparations could even trigger curiosity. Better a
more discreet and REAL camera with field motion sensors.
> Some of these idea will only keep some away, but what person is going
> to chance entering a house that looks like a big dog and big guy might
> live there? (and a camera, and an alarm system).
>
> Hey, if it helps cause some wonder, and keep a few away, it is not a
> bad idea.
>
> With the shotgun and pepper spray. Know how to use them, figure out
> your "lanes of fire" meaning where you would use them. If you have a
> shotgun, when you hear a noise, find a secure location, like down
> beside your bed, rack the slide and announce you are armed and intend
> to defend yourself. Wait and don't go looking for bad guys. They
> have the disadvantage when you are armed and placed.
If you are crouched by the bed, rather than verbalize anything that would
reveal your position, throw a shoe to the other side of the room to see if
they shoot there. BTW at the first indication of trouble your shotgun
should already be racked and ready.
> Just my ideas. Group, feel free to shoot them down.
Good ideas overall, just try and play them out in the mindset of an
individual who might be desperate or irrational enough to be inside your
place to start with.
Stephanie
Miradus <ede...@home.com> wrote
> Hell with that... buy about 8 pairs of boots and put em out there.
>
> Miradus
>
They should also probably be a little dirty and beaten up, so they don't
look like brand new boots a woman bought to put outside her door.
Steve Spence
your car stolen. back home in the country, you would find both filled with
zuchini. Your description of the country does not match the reality where I
grew up.
--
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Renewable Energy Pages
http://www.webconx.com
ICQ 50073546
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"Br. Roulle" <borgb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3839DA34...@hotmail.com...
> thumping reply would have been information on how to survive
TheGuessWho
>I've been a lurker here for a while. A couple of
>nights ago I thought I heard someone trying to
>open my door at home. But, as soon as the I heard
>the noise it stopped.
Sue:
(1) Nothing beats having a pump shotgun. A nice Winchester 1200
Defender. The click click sound is very very distinctive and gets
attention and respect. Put one of those high powered zenon lights on
the end of the shotgun, (I have one and it stays on, I have a wide
velcro tape and it sits beside the shotgun barrel and tube).
(2) Some dye and foming pepper spray (Bear strength) might help. I
taped some to the handle of a hand lantern for my wife when I was
deployed (military). That way upon hearing a noise, she had the spray
and light.
(3) Get a really really big dog food bowl and put it outside with a
huge dog chew toy. Write on the dog bowl, "Max."
(4) Leave a really big pair of men's boots (get some cheap combat
boots, size 14) outside.
(5) They sell ultra sonic sound detectors that should like a big dog
barking. You could use it to supplement the dog bowl.
(6) Depending on your house, you might want to get a solid core door
for your bedroom. Some like to lock their bedroom door and others
don't. Perhaps others here have some suggestions? In any case it is
not a bad idea to reinforce the door jamb with longer screw and not
the teeny ones most door's have.
(7) those lights that light up when someone gets close is good. They
are cheap, store sunlight and only go on when someone comes to the
door. Nothing like a sudden light to cause someone some
consternation. They even sell devices that alert you with some beep
beep alarm if someone comes up to your door.
(8) There might be some disagreement here, but alarm stickers around
the windows might help and a real or even phony camera pointing down
at the person. Group - what do you think?
Some of these idea will only keep some away, but what person is going
to chance entering a house that looks like a big dog and big guy might
live there? (and a camera, and an alarm system).
Hey, if it helps cause some wonder, and keep a few away, it is not a
bad idea.
With the shotgun and pepper spray. Know how to use them, figure out
your "lanes of fire" meaning where you would use them. If you have a
shotgun, when you hear a noise, find a secure location, like down
beside your bed, rack the slide and announce you are armed and intend
to defend yourself. Wait and don't go looking for bad guys. They
have the disadvantage when you are armed and placed.
Just my ideas. Group, feel free to shoot them down.
Miradus
<steve....@home.com> wrote:
>here in suburbia, if you don't lock your doors, your house gets emptied and
>your car stolen. back home in the country, you would find both filled with
>zuchini. Your description of the country does not match the reality where I
>grew up.
>
I too lived in fear of zuchinni-bearing neighbors. Many a time I made
a mad dash to the truck to avoid my neighbors in zuchinni season. It
seemed I was beset on all sides by neighbors with too much gardening
zeal. They produced prodigous amounts of squash and zuchinni and would
foist it upon me with every opportunity. I'd find baskets of it on my
porch, I couldn't go to work without being handed a sack full of it,
and woe betide the unwary who asked 'how is the garden coming?'
As to the other message, it didn't jive with what I remember of
country life either. Sure, every small town is a hotbed of
indiscriminate sex-lives and gossip, as well as generations-old
feuds... but you typically find a better class of people there.
Miradus
Miradus
<lgli...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>Oh, I have videotapes of LEOs trying to *incapacitate* someone on PCP. The
>only thing that fazed the perp was a headshot, and then he dropped like a
>sack-o-shit. The other stuff left him unfazed. {did I mention I have a
>*kinky* video collection?} I also have a video of a guy breaking his wrist
>trying to get out of handcuffs. Didn't know he broke it. Just kept
>pulling.
>
>Now imagine this NIGHTMARE. 3 pcp-drugged perpetrators come smashing
>through your door at 3 a.m. This is what gives me the sweats. Unless you
>get a CNS hit or vital artery hit, the bastards don't even know they've been
>shot.
It's like when you shoot a deer and he runs a half a mile before you
find him. Upon gutting the bastard you find the bullet went straight
through his heart or broke his spine. Go figure how they do it.
Miradus
Miradus
<lgli...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>Phil,
>
>You questions lead me to believe that you should ignore this thread. You
>are not a *candidate* for the information that may be contained therein.
>Back to your coloring book. Try not to get any crayon marks on the walls.
>good boy.
>
I like the green ones best... they taste better.
Miradus
Miradus
wrote:
>(3) Get a really really big dog food bowl and put it outside with a
>huge dog chew toy. Write on the dog bowl, "Max."
Many years ago I had a job delivering pizza. I went to one house and
on the front porch tied to a pillar (like a support column for the
house) was this chain that looked like it came off of a battleship
anchor. It was broken on one end. I asked the guy who lived there what
was up with it and he said 'Shit. He got loose again...'
I wasn't slow getting back to my car.
>(4) Leave a really big pair of men's boots (get some cheap combat
>boots, size 14) outside.
Hell with that... buy about 8 pairs of boots and put em out there.
Miradus
Noah Simoneaux
>>(4) Leave a really big pair of men's boots (get some cheap combat
>>boots, size 14) outside.
>
>Hell with that... buy about 8 pairs of boots and put em out there.
>
>Miradus
>
Reminds me of something that happened where I grew up. A girl about my age was
quite a tomboy, mostly because she had 4 older brothers and no sisters. She was
out in the country riding her horse one day and some wiseguy decided to yank
her off her horse and try to rape her. After she finished kicking his butt, she
got back on her horse and rode home. Her brothers came out and had a talk with
the guy, too.
Noah Simoneaux
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Br. Roulle
gots rosy cheeks and cheerful dispositions and would never
ever never do their neighbor wrong. And they show up at your
door with fresh baked cookies when you are feeling sad and
build your barn when it burns down. Conversely, urban folk
are orcs lurking in the dark, waiting for you to trip so
they can pounce on you.
Pardon my sarcasm
When my wife went through a mastectomy to get rid of cancer,
city neighbors, some I didn't even know, were here cooking
and cleaning for weeks afterward. And when I went through
by-pass surgery one January, it was anonymous city dwellers
that shoveled my walks and cleared the snow off of my car
that winter. Gratis.
My parents, who remained in the country and recently died
within a year of each other, didn't receive anything like
the support from their neighbors that I received from those
in my city. Not that they been ill treated by the country
folk, but they certainly weren't as helpful as my city
neighbors were. No one plowed the drive, started the car or
helped thaw the frozen pipes unless they got paid. I often
drove down from the city to do those things, and frequently
volunteers from my church give up their entire weekend to
make the working 600 mile round trip with me.
I reject the idea that country folk are inherently better or
more noble folk, or that you will automatically be much
better off in the country than the city in a national
disaster.
At any rate, the city dweller who posted earlier didn't
deserve the bullshit answer he got from some of the hotshots
in the news group. Contrary to popular belief, civilizations
have survived unbelievable disasters in the cities. I
remember when the river by the farm flooded leaving the
fields too muddy to plant that spring and leaving rotten
messes in the root cellars as well as killing off most of
the livestock. What are the subsistence level guru's going
to do in that event? Go to the city to get a real job to
feed their family like the farmers caught in that flood had
to do, I suspect.
Steve Spence wrote:
>
> here in suburbia, if you don't lock your doors, your house gets emptied and
> your car stolen. back home in the country, you would find both filled with
> zuchini. Your description of the country does not match the reality where I
> grew up.
>
Steve Spence
country township. we even all chipped in to rebuild a barn that burnt. when
we moved to the city, we continued to help people in the way that we were
raised. We don't see much of that activity anymore, though we continue.
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David Moffitt
, it was anonymous city dwellers
> that shoveled my walks and cleared the snow off of my car
> that winter. Gratis.
>
> My parents, who remained in the country and recently died
> within a year of each other, didn't receive anything like
> the support from their neighbors that I received from those
> in my city.
parents weren't! Maybe you are a good neighbor and your parents weren't. You
reap what you sow.
David Moffitt Lifetime NRA Member and damn proud of it!
"Never appeal to a mans "better nature" he may not have one.Invoking his
self-interest gives you more leverage."
Lazarus Long
.
Canopy Co Tulsa OK
(TheGuessWho) writes:
>
>Sue:
>
>(1) Nothing beats having a pump shotgun. A nice Winchester 1200
>Defender. The click click sound is very very distinctive and gets
>attention and respect. Put one of those high powered zenon lights on
>the end of the shotgun, (I have one and it stays on, I have a wide
>velcro tape and it sits beside the shotgun barrel and tube).
>
>(2) Some dye and foming pepper spray (Bear strength) might help. I
>taped some to the handle of a hand lantern for my wife when I was
>deployed (military). That way upon hearing a noise, she had the spray
>and light.
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I squirted tear gas in a hallway once, back in the late 70's.
It just hung in the air until I got curious and walked down the hall.
Then I started getting effects from the gas.
Rubbed my eyes, then realized that the canister leaked slightly and left some
on my hands.
The age old problem with chemical warfare. It can come back on you.
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>
>(3) Get a really really big dog food bowl and put it outside with a
>huge dog chew toy. Write on the dog bowl, "Max."
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Be sure to take the toy and lay it in a gravel road to be run over a few times.
This will simulate teeth marks made during playing with the toy.
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>
>(4) Leave a really big pair of men's boots (get some cheap combat
>boots, size 14) outside.
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Get these from a yard sale or good will.
You want them to look often used.
Also, track them threw some real sticky mud.
This will justify them being left outside in the first place.
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>
>(5) They sell ultra sonic sound detectors that should like a big dog
>barking. You could use it to supplement the dog bowl.
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You can also hook your tape player to a motion detector light and put a tape of
sounds in the player.
Do not get carried away.
A large deep voiced, ranting, drunk man shouting, stomping around "If you do
not get out of here right now, I am going to rip your head off" will be more
believable then full auto fire ;-)
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>
>(6) Depending on your house, you might want to get a solid core door
>for your bedroom. Some like to lock their bedroom door and others
>don't. Perhaps others here have some suggestions? In any case it is
>not a bad idea to reinforce the door jamb with longer screw and not
>the teeny ones most door's have.
>
>(7) those lights that light up when someone gets close is good. They
>are cheap, store sunlight and only go on when someone comes to the
>door. Nothing like a sudden light to cause someone some
>consternation. They even sell devices that alert you with some beep
>beep alarm if someone comes up to your door.
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You can also plug a light into the motion detector and run this light away from
the detector.
This will hide the fact that a motion detector turned on the light, and not a
person catching you in the yard.
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